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  • Any Idea for better Tuatha Titans?

    After reading the Titanomachy i cant help but feel a little let down over those Tuatha de domna. Not only are two out of four not even real Titans but Gods of the Nementondevos the other two are also a bit of a lackluster. Balor is all well and fine(altough some parts of the background are a bit controversial) but Domnu is almost entirely made up. Do you have any idea for a Titan that fits both the setting and irish mythology?

    Thank you in advance.
    Last edited by Mugbearer23; 11-05-2020, 06:09 AM.

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    This Nexus product by Watcher https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product...ebor-Oe-In-Dea features several Tuatha Titans, among many other additions like Denizens and the Tuatha approach to various Purviews, and is written by an academic expert in the field too! And it is free as well!

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    • #3
      I'll second that. Watcher's stuff is excellent! Incidentally, they also include a detailed section on villains to use in a Tuatha game that might be interesting to you. A lot of great Tuatha antagonists aren't necessarily Titans - like the Áos Sídhe, Fir Bolg, and those uppity Sons of Míl who think they own Ireland now and you're just going to let them keep it all to themselves.


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      • #4
        Watcher’s stuff is really cool. He’s brilliant and really knows his field.


        “No one holds command over me. No man, no god, no Prince. Call your damn Hunt. We shall see who I drag screaming down to hell with me.” The last Ahrimane says this when Mithras calls a Blood Hunt against her. She/her (I saw the Chief Technology Officer for a big company do this so I guess I’ll do it too).

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        • #5
          Perhaps there is a titanic double of Britannia. The goddess represents the noble aspirations of the British peoples. Whereas the titan is the titan of conquest and imperial rule.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Astromancer View Post
            Perhaps there is a titanic double of Britannia. The goddess represents the noble aspirations of the British peoples. Whereas the titan is the titan of conquest and imperial rule.
            See though this is one of the problems with some of the original TDD titan write-ups though, like the veiled implication that Balor was responsible for the Potato famine, it lays the blame for real world tragedies that affected a lot of people for a very long and not too distant period of time.

            Because it effectively absolves the people responsible. The British people were responsible for the evils of the British empire, not some Titan.

            Additionally, I'll note that this was a big problem with some of the 1e write-ups. Like the one that implies Vritra, an Asura serpent that Indra killed one time, was somehow responsible for the British colonization of India. (And the less said of the mess that was the WW2 shard where multiple pantheons backed the Axis Powers, the better.)

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            • #7
              So if you want something ominous for the Tuatha, I like the classical account of Crom Cruach. No, not the one portraying him as a giant maggot, the one that shows up in like, one scroll to get vanquished by Saint Patrick

              Apparently this account of Crom Cruach paints Crom as not a worm, or a figure, or a being, but a series of golden idols surrounded by stone idols.

              And they compel people nearby to worship them. Worship them always. Worship them fully. Do not eat. Do not drink. Do not work. Just worship. Bow in adoration until your skull cracks open. Make offerings to the idols. Offer your grain, your livestock, your children.

              Worship.

              Worship.

              WORSHIP.

              Admittedly it's a bit uncertain whether Crom Cruach like this should be a Titan or an evil Realm or what. Just... Evil idol(s) that compel mortals nearby to worship them.


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              • #8
                Originally posted by Ravian View Post

                See though this is one of the problems with some of the original TDD titan write-ups though, like the veiled implication that Balor was responsible for the Potato famine, it lays the blame for real world tragedies that affected a lot of people for a very long and not too distant period of time.

                Because it effectively absolves the people responsible. The British people were responsible for the evils of the British empire, not some Titan.

                Additionally, I'll note that this was a big problem with some of the 1e write-ups. Like the one that implies Vritra, an Asura serpent that Indra killed one time, was somehow responsible for the British colonization of India. (And the less said of the mess that was the WW2 shard where multiple pantheons backed the Axis Powers, the better.)
                My goal wasn't to whitewash history, just to come up with a titan that fits Irish literature and satiric tradition. Personification was a common feature of Irish literature especially the formal poetic satire tradition.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Kyman201 View Post
                  Admittedly it's a bit uncertain whether Crom Cruach like this should be a Titan or an evil Realm or what.
                  Embrace the healing power of "and".

                  Seriously, this wouldn't be without precedent. Tartarus is, at least in some accounts IIRC, both a primordial being and a prison realm.

                  (And that's a very cool take on Crom btw.)


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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Kyman201 View Post

                    Admittedly it's a bit uncertain whether Crom Cruach like this should be a Titan or an evil Realm or what. Just... Evil idol(s) that compel mortals nearby to worship them.
                    With Titans, does there need to be a difference? Consider the myriad forms titans took in 1e. A being that is all you list and many nasty things besides is a perfectly valid titan.

                    Cool idea Kyman201.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Kyman201 View Post
                      So if you want something ominous for the Tuatha, I like the classical account of Crom Cruach. No, not the one portraying him as a giant maggot, the one that shows up in like, one scroll to get vanquished by Saint Patrick

                      Apparently this account of Crom Cruach paints Crom as not a worm, or a figure, or a being, but a series of golden idols surrounded by stone idols.

                      And they compel people nearby to worship them. Worship them always. Worship them fully. Do not eat. Do not drink. Do not work. Just worship. Bow in adoration until your skull cracks open. Make offerings to the idols. Offer your grain, your livestock, your children.

                      Worship.

                      Worship.

                      WORSHIP.

                      Admittedly it's a bit uncertain whether Crom Cruach like this should be a Titan or an evil Realm or what. Just... Evil idol(s) that compel mortals nearby to worship them.
                      I wonder if Crom Cruach has ties to the Mythos as well as the Tuatha De Domnann.


                      “No one holds command over me. No man, no god, no Prince. Call your damn Hunt. We shall see who I drag screaming down to hell with me.” The last Ahrimane says this when Mithras calls a Blood Hunt against her. She/her (I saw the Chief Technology Officer for a big company do this so I guess I’ll do it too).

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                      • #12
                        Thanks for the suggestions. I have downloaded the mentioned Lebor oe in dea now and its great. To bad that it came out before the Titanomachy so it lacks the suggested "Titans" lack the Titan Callings but that is not really a problem. On that note i think that the Monster calling would suit Badb better then the Hunter calling.A creature that feasts on the flesh of the fallen is more a Monster than a Hunter.

                        Besides: Any idea how to emulate Shapeshifting without the Shapeshifting purview? An Scion of the Morrigan without shapeshifting is kinda pointless. Or would that be a Beast Marvel?
                        Last edited by Mugbearer23; 11-05-2020, 06:03 AM. Reason: Fixing some errors

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                        • #13
                          Túatha Dé Danann
                          - Exchange The Badb's Hunter Calling for Monster.
                          - Give Nemain Primeval as her third Calling.

                          Old Titans
                          - Cethlenn of the Crooked Teeth
                          -- Callings: Sage, Leader.
                          -- Purviews: Fortune.

                          - Donn mac Mill
                          -- Callings: Tyrant, Liminal, Warrior (probably?).
                          -- Puveiws: Death, Water, War.

                          - Eochaid mac Eirc
                          -- Callings: Leader, Judge.
                          --Purviews: Order.

                          Indech
                          -- Callings: Leader, Warrior (probably?).
                          -- Purviews: Order, War.

                          Sreng of the Mighty Blows
                          -- Callings: Leader, Warrior.
                          -- Purviews: Epic Strength, Epic Stamina.

                          Tethra
                          -- Callings: Primeval, Leader.
                          -- Purviews: Water.

                          Revised Titans
                          Balor of the Piercing Eye
                          -- Callings: Warrior, Destroyer, Leader.
                          -- Purviews: War, Epic Strength.

                          Bres the Beautiful
                          -- Callings: Tyrant, Lover.
                          -- Purviews: Beauty, Chaos (or Order, depending on interpretation of 'Tyranny' in a medieval Irish context), Fertility.

                          New Titans
                          Elatha
                          -- Callings: Creator, Lover, Sage?.
                          -- Purviews: Beauty. (No real Purviews represent Elatha well, though he is important)

                          Crom Cruach
                          -- Callings: Tyrant, Destroyer, Adversary.
                          -- Purviews: Fertility, Passion (Adoration).

                          Edit: Yeah, just make that a Marvel. Use the 'Duplicate a Boon' system, and key it off the Metamorphosis Boons.
                          Last edited by Watcher; 11-05-2020, 05:50 AM.


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                          • #14
                            Thanks!

                            Your work is really great Watcher. In particular your Nementondevos Revised and how you point out certain backgrounds (About Changelings etc.).ty

                            Edit: How about the Prosperity Purview. He is after all described with clothes decked in gold and five golden rings traveling on a great vessel made of what seems to be silver.
                            Last edited by Mugbearer23; 11-05-2020, 09:22 AM.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Penelope View Post

                              I wonder if Crom Cruach has ties to the Mythos as well as the Tuatha De Domnann.
                              Nah, people were coming up with WAY creepier cosmic-horror adjacent stuff long before Lovecraft was a sparkle in his parents' eyes.


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