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  • Mugbearer23
    started a topic Any Idea for better Tuatha Titans?

    Any Idea for better Tuatha Titans?

    After reading the Titanomachy i cant help but feel a little let down over those Tuatha de domna. Not only are two out of four not even real Titans but Gods of the Nementondevos the other two are also a bit of a lackluster. Balor is all well and fine(altough some parts of the background are a bit controversial) but Domnu is almost entirely made up. Do you have any idea for a Titan that fits both the setting and irish mythology?

    Thank you in advance.
    Last edited by Mugbearer23; 11-05-2020, 06:09 AM.

  • Penelope
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    Originally posted by Kyman201 View Post
    The Dresden Files is fun junk food literature but again... Liberties. If you go in knowing "This is probably not really accurate to much" you'll probably have fun.
    Thank you. I kinda figured he took a few liberties with the source material.

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  • Kyman201
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    The Dresden Files is fun junk food literature but again... Liberties. If you go in knowing "This is probably not really accurate to much" you'll probably have fun.

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  • Purple Snit
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    Jim Butcher, author of The Dresden Files. They are most excellent reads.

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  • Mugbearer23
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    Who is Butcher? An Author?

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  • Kyman201
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    I actually heard about the whole "Aquatic Fomorians" thing. It may well have started from a mistranslation that most Academics in Celtic Studies don't take seriously anymore.

    This was reinforced by some people is that there's references that the Fomorians come from "Beneath", and some assume it meant "Beneath the sea"

    The thing is, it's just... Beneath. A sort of ominous not-here that exists below the surface. When the Milisans beat the Tuatha in their war, the Tuatha were banished Beneath Ireland. They weren't kicked into the sea, they were just banished Beneath Ireland.

    The Fomorians aren't aquatic fish-folk in the classical sources. Some of them look misshapen, some have the motif of One Eye, One Hand, One Foot, but most of them map to Basically Humanoid, like the Tuatha. The 'Aquatic Fomor' is a pretty recent take, TBH.

    (I like Butcher but he takes... LIBERTIES)

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  • Penelope
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    Originally posted by Kyman201 View Post

    Nah, people were coming up with WAY creepier cosmic-horror adjacent stuff long before Lovecraft was a sparkle in his parents' eyes.
    Cool. Thanks.

    In the Dresden Files the aquatic villain group who turns out to be the Big Bad behind a lot of the bad stuff are called the Fomor and are bitter enemies of both the Summer and Winter Court fae.

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  • Kyman201
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    Originally posted by Penelope View Post

    I wonder if Crom Cruach has ties to the Mythos as well as the Tuatha De Domnann.
    Nah, people were coming up with WAY creepier cosmic-horror adjacent stuff long before Lovecraft was a sparkle in his parents' eyes.

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  • Mugbearer23
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    Thanks!

    Your work is really great Watcher. In particular your Nementondevos Revised and how you point out certain backgrounds (About Changelings etc.).ty

    Edit: How about the Prosperity Purview. He is after all described with clothes decked in gold and five golden rings traveling on a great vessel made of what seems to be silver.
    Last edited by Mugbearer23; 11-05-2020, 09:22 AM.

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  • Watcher
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    TĂșatha DĂ© Danann
    - Exchange The Badb's Hunter Calling for Monster.
    - Give Nemain Primeval as her third Calling.

    Old Titans
    - Cethlenn of the Crooked Teeth
    -- Callings: Sage, Leader.
    -- Purviews: Fortune.

    - Donn mac Mill
    -- Callings: Tyrant, Liminal, Warrior (probably?).
    -- Puveiws: Death, Water, War.

    - Eochaid mac Eirc
    -- Callings: Leader, Judge.
    --Purviews: Order.

    Indech
    -- Callings: Leader, Warrior (probably?).
    -- Purviews: Order, War.

    Sreng of the Mighty Blows
    -- Callings: Leader, Warrior.
    -- Purviews: Epic Strength, Epic Stamina.

    Tethra
    -- Callings: Primeval, Leader.
    -- Purviews: Water.

    Revised Titans
    Balor of the Piercing Eye
    -- Callings: Warrior, Destroyer, Leader.
    -- Purviews: War, Epic Strength.

    Bres the Beautiful
    -- Callings: Tyrant, Lover.
    -- Purviews: Beauty, Chaos (or Order, depending on interpretation of 'Tyranny' in a medieval Irish context), Fertility.

    New Titans
    Elatha
    -- Callings: Creator, Lover, Sage?.
    -- Purviews: Beauty. (No real Purviews represent Elatha well, though he is important)

    Crom Cruach
    -- Callings: Tyrant, Destroyer, Adversary.
    -- Purviews: Fertility, Passion (Adoration).

    Edit: Yeah, just make that a Marvel. Use the 'Duplicate a Boon' system, and key it off the Metamorphosis Boons.
    Last edited by Watcher; 11-05-2020, 05:50 AM.

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  • Mugbearer23
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    Thanks for the suggestions. I have downloaded the mentioned Lebor oe in dea now and its great. To bad that it came out before the Titanomachy so it lacks the suggested "Titans" lack the Titan Callings but that is not really a problem. On that note i think that the Monster calling would suit Badb better then the Hunter calling.A creature that feasts on the flesh of the fallen is more a Monster than a Hunter.

    Besides: Any idea how to emulate Shapeshifting without the Shapeshifting purview? An Scion of the Morrigan without shapeshifting is kinda pointless. Or would that be a Beast Marvel?
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  • Penelope
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    Originally posted by Kyman201 View Post
    So if you want something ominous for the Tuatha, I like the classical account of Crom Cruach. No, not the one portraying him as a giant maggot, the one that shows up in like, one scroll to get vanquished by Saint Patrick

    Apparently this account of Crom Cruach paints Crom as not a worm, or a figure, or a being, but a series of golden idols surrounded by stone idols.

    And they compel people nearby to worship them. Worship them always. Worship them fully. Do not eat. Do not drink. Do not work. Just worship. Bow in adoration until your skull cracks open. Make offerings to the idols. Offer your grain, your livestock, your children.

    Worship.

    Worship.

    WORSHIP.

    Admittedly it's a bit uncertain whether Crom Cruach like this should be a Titan or an evil Realm or what. Just... Evil idol(s) that compel mortals nearby to worship them.
    I wonder if Crom Cruach has ties to the Mythos as well as the Tuatha De Domnann.

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  • Astromancer
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    Originally posted by Kyman201 View Post

    Admittedly it's a bit uncertain whether Crom Cruach like this should be a Titan or an evil Realm or what. Just... Evil idol(s) that compel mortals nearby to worship them.
    With Titans, does there need to be a difference? Consider the myriad forms titans took in 1e. A being that is all you list and many nasty things besides is a perfectly valid titan.

    Cool idea Kyman201.

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  • No One of Consequence
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    Originally posted by Kyman201 View Post
    Admittedly it's a bit uncertain whether Crom Cruach like this should be a Titan or an evil Realm or what.
    Embrace the healing power of "and".

    Seriously, this wouldn't be without precedent. Tartarus is, at least in some accounts IIRC, both a primordial being and a prison realm.

    (And that's a very cool take on Crom btw.)

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  • Astromancer
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    Originally posted by Ravian View Post

    See though this is one of the problems with some of the original TDD titan write-ups though, like the veiled implication that Balor was responsible for the Potato famine, it lays the blame for real world tragedies that affected a lot of people for a very long and not too distant period of time.

    Because it effectively absolves the people responsible. The British people were responsible for the evils of the British empire, not some Titan.

    Additionally, I'll note that this was a big problem with some of the 1e write-ups. Like the one that implies Vritra, an Asura serpent that Indra killed one time, was somehow responsible for the British colonization of India. (And the less said of the mess that was the WW2 shard where multiple pantheons backed the Axis Powers, the better.)
    My goal wasn't to whitewash history, just to come up with a titan that fits Irish literature and satiric tradition. Personification was a common feature of Irish literature especially the formal poetic satire tradition.

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