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  • Originally posted by Kyman201
    The major difference between how TC has used Scale and how Scion has is that Scion has to account for bigger things.
    Unless Novas will be severly nerfed I’d say TC has to account for bigger things than Scion. After all Aberrant had Universe Creation as an example of the heights of Nova potential, basically Nova could have created the Titans, Gods and everything else at the high end of their power.

    So the reason scale works slightly different on both game lines likely has less to do with power level per se but more to do with low power games being more important in TC. After all TC is basically about three different if connected games while Scion is a single game that is meant to start at low power but grow slowly, or fast depending on the game group wants to play, in power all the way into godhood. Meanwhile basic TC core game is meant to be something that may progress towards Aberrant and ultimately to Aeon but it is mainly meant to be played as is as a modern spy thriller or adventure Etc. That may never progress to those higher power levels. Similarly Aberrant is meant to be played at Aberrant level and the players may even prevent Aeon and Psi users from becoming important, hell the PC Novas may either save or destroy earth should they wish. Again the core system being the same makes it possible to mix Aberrant with Aeon but they should both be playable seperately.

    That is what I believe is the difference between the lines, its not really about the power level but about different design goals.

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    • Agree with every word Possessed wrote. Aberrant is essentially as powerful as Scion, while Aberrant end game is more likely to be on a bit lower level (no SG, as far as I know, took all the way to Q10) Scion end game, they have access to basically the same scale. For example, what’s the scale of the Wycoff explosion? And he was not the real threat from Aberrant War.

      As I said before, the objective on the game is different, Scion is more open ended, while TC is more precise on defining what is the scale of different things, from powers to equipment.

      Why 0 and 1 to be the standard human? No idea, maybe we will see on Aberrant, there is something about dealing with objects and small superheroes, probably, but as far as I know, it’s just an arbitrary decision.

      Changing a bit the subject, Talriss is right, maybe it’s about the non native language condition, but it’s a bit discouraging to deal with the way some people answer questions. I don’t have any difficult on formal texts or dealing with people speaking, but informal text and some slang mixed give some potential misinterpretation. Also we are here to discuss a subject and help the others, not to mistreat.
      Nothing personal, actually Kyman201 is usually very helpful and have great answers to my doubts and the doubts of many people here, I just want to add this comment as the subject was touched.

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      • Yeah, I'd just weigh in and say that Scions and Novas sound like they're in the same sort of power level area rather than one being larger than the other. Scion might be more... abstract about things, since it gets into the weird wishy washy area of dealing with material immaterials and stuff like Ma'at. But, the creation of a universe is well within the realms of a Scion at the height of their power. It has already been established the formation of new Pantheons causes a cosmic retcon as a new reality is created. The Devá would even regard a universe as a sort of sandcastle to them, but they operate on funky cosmological scale. (not capital S Scale, just lowercase s scale)


        Scion 2e Homebrew Projects:
        The Šiuneš, the Pantheon of the Hittite Empire.
        The Enduri: the Pantheon of the Manchu Peoples.
        The Sgā’na Qeda’s: the Pantheon of the Haida First Nation.
        The Abosom: The Pantheon of the Ashanti.

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        • Originally posted by Talriss View Post

          For me the game has 4 tiers, and the first one is not that powerfull. English is not my nativ language so I have to put it that way: If by "trip you up" you want to say that I dont like the game as a whole you are wrong. As I have wirtten in my first post I realy love it. If you want to say that this annoys me I have to say yes it does. On this particular spot the system doesnt feel round. I waited three Years for the books and one of the reason was the new and better rule system and I tend to take people who want my monney for their words.


          Regarding Scaling I have at this point litte to assume that a God gets always a improved scale. Having to spent Legend every round doesn't fit my picture of Odin either. I do not now what comes in the missing two main books and so the question I asked where not general rule questions but regarding design philosophy especially regarding scaling. To let me understand where the game is going, what did I miss or get wrong.

          And while I realy apriciate your answers I do not how you give them to me. It may be my lacking english but I sense some arrogance / aggressivity. So I thing we should call it a day and stop it here.

          Thank you for your time
          I'd like to apologize. I didn't mean to be aggressive, but I tend to snark.

          The phrase 'trip you up' in the way I used it meant something caused a mental stumble. A thing that makes you pause and go "Wait, what?"

          As for Origin Tier, it's not as powerful as Hero tier, but an Origin PC is still stronger than a real life person. In the real world, if I were to get stabbed once, that would probably put me out of the fight for good, because getting stabbed hurts.

          At Origin, even a PC with no Calling and no Knack can be stabbed once but just shake it off, taking a -1 so certain rolls, but stay in the fight.

          I'm real life l, catching a sword coming at your head between your hands is a dumb move and will result one your head and hands being sliced open. But you can stunt it that way in Scion at Origin Tier.

          Mortal PCs in Scion are as baseline human as non powered humans in say, American comic books, where Jack Heroman can somehow survive being stabbed twice and save the day, despite a lack of magic powers.

          So when I said Scion, even at Origin, runs on action movie rules, that was very intentional. It's a very cinematic and narrative game, so someone bringing a fist to a knife fight is as viable as the knife guy because it makes for a better story.

          Edit: As for my comments about Hypothetical Odin, I'll say this. I don't have any special insight into how Gods work. But I will say that it is not a good idea to assume they'll work using Hero rules. We don't have the God book, and we don't know how a God walking the World will interact.

          So I'd hesitate to assume that 'Odin will go down to a Sniper Rifle', mostly because I doubt that would happen for a Hero. Hero-tier powers, in the forms of Knacks and Boons and Feats of Scale, would make surviving a Scale 1 sniper shot very doable. And Gods are far more powerful than Heroes.

          In what way? What powers do they have? I don't know. All I can do is take wild guesses. But I very much doubt that a God is just going to be a Hero with larger dice pools. They tried that for 1e and it was very unsatisfying.
          Last edited by Kyman201; 06-05-2019, 01:37 AM.


          Disclaimer: I'll huff, grump, and defend my position, but if you're having fun I'll never say you're doing it wrong.

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          • Is it expected of male Netjer Scions raised in another religious context to become circumsised as a rite of passage?


            Simurgh, Mysterium Thyrsus in Mountains of Shadow (IC|OOC)

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            • Originally posted by Tambov View Post
              Is it expected of male Netjer Scions raised in another religious context to become circumsised as a rite of passage?
              ​This is not a question that, I think, will ever be officially answered by the game. The status of your PC's genitalia in any respect is not the concern of the game authors.

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              • I'm glad to see that we can play somebody who's both a supernatural creature AND a Scion at the same time. I had to read the PDF section on that twice before I noticed.

                So am I correct in assuming that the power cap on these templates (Kitsune = Demigod, Satyr = Hero) are for characters who aren't doubling as a Scion as well, or is full divinity just limited to humans?

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                • Originally posted by Nyrufa View Post
                  So am I correct in assuming that the power cap on these templates (Kitsune = Demigod, Satyr = Hero) are for characters who aren't doubling as a Scion as well, or is full divinity just limited to humans?
                  I think those soft caps are assuming you're just a Denizen, and that the Scion Train has no brakes or Legend Caps.

                  I mean you could still die horribly if you didn't accomplish enough Deeds to achieve Apotheosis at the end of Demigod, but AFAIK, yes, a Denizen Scion can make it to Godhood


                  Disclaimer: I'll huff, grump, and defend my position, but if you're having fun I'll never say you're doing it wrong.

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                  • Originally posted by Kyman201 View Post
                    I think those soft caps are assuming you're just a Denizen, and that the Scion Train has no brakes or Legend Caps.

                    I mean you could still die horribly if you didn't accomplish enough Deeds to achieve Apotheosis at the end of Demigod, but AFAIK, yes, a Denizen Scion can make it to Godhood

                    Good, this pleases me.

                    Now to start thinking of legitimate reasons for my characters being both a Scion and Denizen.

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                    • Originally posted by Nyrufa View Post


                      Good, this pleases me.

                      Now to start thinking of legitimate reasons for my characters being both a Scion and Denizen.

                      Child of Loki seems to work.

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                      • Originally posted by Florin View Post


                        Child of Loki seems to work.

                        Well, obviously!

                        But I was thinking more along the lines of Scions who weren't naturally born. But rather come from other means.

                        Unless their god is directly associated with that creature, I imagine most of them will be of the Chosen variety.
                        Last edited by Nyrufa; 06-07-2019, 02:33 PM.

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                        • Originally posted by Nyrufa View Post


                          Good, this pleases me.

                          Now to start thinking of legitimate reasons for my characters being both a Scion and Denizen.
                          'Legitimate' in this case can be as simple as 'I'm enough of a badass that a God made me a Scion'. Like, Chosen Scions are a thing.


                          Disclaimer: I'll huff, grump, and defend my position, but if you're having fun I'll never say you're doing it wrong.

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                          • Also, don't forget that Supernatural Paths often are biologically compatible with humans; and if a God can produce a Scion with a human, he/she/Loki can produce a Scion with a Kitsune, Satyr, Therianthrope, Wolf-Warrior, or Cú Sith.

                            An example from a somewhat recent movie: Zeus and a Wolf-Warrior (specifically, an Amazon) had a kid.
                            Last edited by Dataweaver; 06-07-2019, 10:05 PM.


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                            • Deactivate Lurking Device! *Klingon decloaking sound*

                              Please forgive me if this question has already been answered, but I'm not about to wade through hundreds of pages of comments to try and find it.

                              What if your Scion's personal values and personality doesn't mesh with a Pantheon's virtue system at all?

                              For example, OC Alex Andrews is a scion of Zeus (who can basically be described as a mixture of Kevin Sorbo's Hercules, Chistopher Reeves Superman, and Chris Evans Captain America) who gives his all to protect the innocent and the suffering from the predations of god and titan alike.

                              Now, he will totally call any member of the Theoi out on their bull, even dear old dad, so Storge isn't much of a driving factor in his decisions. On the other hand, he doesn't do what he does out of personal interest either; he's a selfless goody-two shoes because we don't have enough of that kind of person in real life, dammit.

                              How does one reconcile this?
                              Last edited by Prometheus878; 06-08-2019, 10:51 PM.


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                              Jen's original portrayal of Mouse Monk, featuring some human or other named Tybalt Farwander.

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                              • Originally posted by Prometheus878 View Post
                                Deactivate Lurking Device! *Klingon decloaking sound*

                                Please forgive me if this question has already been answered, but I'm not about to wade through hundreds of pages of comments to try and find it.

                                What if your Scion's personal values and personality doesn't mesh with a Pantheon's virtue system at all? For example, OC Alex Andrews is a scion of Zeus (who can basically be described as a mixture of Kevin Sorbo's Hercules, Chistopher Reeves Superman, and Chris Evans Captain America) who gives his all to protect the innocent and the suffering from the predations of god and titan alike.

                                Now, he will totally call any member of the Theoi out on their bull, even dear old dad, so Storge isn't much of a driving factor in his decisions. On the other hand, he doesn't do what he does out of personal interest either; he's a selfless goody-two shoes because we don't have enough of that kind of person in real life, dammit.

                                How does one reconcile this?
                                Who is this man to tell the King of Gods what is Just? Who is he to challenge the rule of Authority? Does he truly claim the Laws of Olympus are wrong?

                                How... Egotistical.


                                Disclaimer: I'll huff, grump, and defend my position, but if you're having fun I'll never say you're doing it wrong.

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