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  • glamourweaver
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    Given the power he’s portrayed as wielding relative to confirmed Demigod tier figures, Achilles might not qualify in Scion terms. Yes he was the deadliest warrior in the Trojan War, but that whole generation were a niche below the peak figures of the Age of Heroes - i’m not sure he ever broke above Hero tier in mechanical terms.

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  • Kyman201
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    Originally posted by Mateus Luz View Post

    That is one aspect I never thought much about, the Demigods are immortal, so several generations will raise to immortal (not that many, but still distributed on several generations) and form bands just because there is not that many scions “leveling”.
    The number of demigods and gods that just stop levelling is high, while most heroes die before ascending, most demigods just achieve immortality and find a place to stay for eternity in a Terra Incognita, as leader of a population or just using their powers to have a nice “forever after”.

    Ascending further than Demigod is a competition, the higher you are, more the gods are looking for you, and they may not like the idea of a new god to take some of their mantles or positions on the pantheon politics.
    Haha haha Demigod are emphatically not immortal. Like, examples of Demigod tier myths include the likes of Achilles, CuChulainn, and Gilgamesh.

    They, uh, kinda weren't immortal. Maybe Gil lived a long time, but he still died.

    Hell, even Demigods who achieved Apotheosis in the game line like Herakles and Iulius may have become Gods, but the final step involved dying, very painfully.

    Yeah, most Demigods live hard and die messily. I wouldn't worry about them sticking around too long

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  • Mateus Luz
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    Originally posted by Maitrecorbo View Post
    Origins tier scions. Not really common but really more numerous than one might expect.
    Hero tier, Between 1 and 3 for the corebook pantheon and either 1 or none for the rests of the pantheons in The World.
    Demigod. 2 bands of scion (sometimes but rarely 3) at that tier per several generations from various pantheons.
    Not seen a scion get to god since a long time now. (hint hint players would be first in a long while).
    That is one aspect I never thought much about, the Demigods are immortal, so several generations will raise to immortal (not that many, but still distributed on several generations) and form bands just because there is not that many scions “leveling”.
    The number of demigods and gods that just stop levelling is high, while most heroes die before ascending, most demigods just achieve immortality and find a place to stay for eternity in a Terra Incognita, as leader of a population or just using their powers to have a nice “forever after”.

    Ascending further than Demigod is a competition, the higher you are, more the gods are looking for you, and they may not like the idea of a new god to take some of their mantles or positions on the pantheon politics.

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  • Maitrecorbo
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    Originally posted by angryicecream View Post
    Sorry if this has already been asked, but I'm not seeing reference to it anywhere. How many scions are there in the World? I'd guess someone in the high four figures but wanted to get another take on it.
    First, what Kyman said is the best way to look at it. There are exactly the number of scion you need for your game in The World.

    But, for what its worth, here are the numbers i like to run with.

    Origins tier scions. Not really common but really more numerous than one might expect.
    Hero tier, Between 1 and 3 for the corebook pantheon and either 1 or none for the rests of the pantheons in The World.
    Demigod. 2 bands of scion (sometimes but rarely 3) at that tier per several generations from various pantheons.
    Not seen a scion get to god since a long time now. (hint hint players would be first in a long while).

    Of course, i'd change any of that as soon as i think it might be more fun otherwise.

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  • Kyman201
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    Originally posted by angryicecream View Post
    Sorry if this has already been asked, but I'm not seeing reference to it anywhere. How many scions are there in the World? I'd guess someone in the high four figures but wanted to get another take on it.
    The book explicitly says it's not giving any numbers or statistics. The number of Scions in the World is "As many as your game needs"

    Some play low. I know Watcher has mentioned he only has like... 1-3 Scions per Pantheon in his games.

    I personally don't bother keeping a number more precise than "Most people won't meet one in person"

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  • angryicecream
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    Sorry if this has already been asked, but I'm not seeing reference to it anywhere. How many scions are there in the World? I'd guess someone in the high four figures but wanted to get another take on it.

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  • Kyman201
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    If a God has been forgotten, do they even exist?

    If at one point, humanity of old worshipped ancient beings, but we lost their tales and deeds to identify them, can we even say what they are?

    I personally would run it that Gods that are that forgotten, to the point where there are no memories or records of them anywhere with anybody... They're gone. Forever. The Mantle of that God no longer exists as none speak of their Deeds or Legend. Their name is lost.

    Some would say they never existed, much like how the Gods that exist always were.

    Edit: I'm assuming you mean... Totally hidden. In one of the books there's a sidebar on the potential Gods whom are so lost that we don't even know that they existed. Mentions of a hypothetical Neolithic figure of Bear or First Hunter.

    Like, we do have recordings and records of say, the Nemetondevos of the Gauls. I'm assuming you mean a magnitude of lost beyond that. And in that case, if you can say without hyperbole that no human or source exists to tell of the God.. Again, do they even exist? I would say no.
    Last edited by Kyman201; 07-11-2019, 05:06 PM.

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  • Common_Monster
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    Originally posted by Maitrecorbo View Post

    The only real difference wouls be that this god has less fatebindings. Of which the precise mechabics are unknown at the god tier as that book isnt out yet.
    So ... form the only info we have so far id say this is a god with less capacity to regain legend.
    Extrapolating from this (and thus probably being wrong), id go with a god with no capacity to regain legend.

    Aside from that i dont think there is much diffence with any other god.
    hmmm whilst i like this reading i think that ties the mythos of the game more to things in the vein of neil gaimen's american gods while i think im looking more for neil gaimen's sandmen, IE the endless vs wedensday and his ilk. Which has made me realize for the game i want to run (at least until i have word from on-high about how this actually works) im going to go with the idea of a more elemental god who lakes an understanding of the world and is there for much more difficult to understand or deal with.

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  • Maitrecorbo
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    Originally posted by Common_Monster View Post
    hi so smol question, and forgive me if this has been answered somewhere already, i've done some checking and i can't seem to find an answer. I'm looking for some information about what would a 'god' that has been hidden from humanity look like? so gods are fate bound into shapes we can recognize, while they do not need humanity, humanity is the mirror in which they see them selves. So what happens when that mirror for whatever reason isn't present? are they just a titan? do they have some sort of personhood? i've got my own ideas but i was wondering if theres something more official so i don't need to preform back flips in my campaign once demigod/god comes out.
    The only real difference wouls be that this god has less fatebindings. Of which the precise mechabics are unknown at the god tier as that book isnt out yet.
    So ... form the only info we have so far id say this is a god with less capacity to regain legend.
    Extrapolating from this (and thus probably being wrong), id go with a god with no capacity to regain legend.

    Aside from that i dont think there is much diffence with any other god.

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  • Common_Monster
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    hi so smol question, and forgive me if this has been answered somewhere already, i've done some checking and i can't seem to find an answer. I'm looking for some information about what would a 'god' that has been hidden from humanity look like? so gods are fate bound into shapes we can recognize, while they do not need humanity, humanity is the mirror in which they see them selves. So what happens when that mirror for whatever reason isn't present? are they just a titan? do they have some sort of personhood? i've got my own ideas but i was wondering if theres something more official so i don't need to preform back flips in my campaign once demigod/god comes out.

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  • Nyrufa
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    Originally posted by Kyman201 View Post
    You say problematic, I say "Hello character story!"

    Go, rogue Incarnate of Zeus. Kill the old Zeus and take the mantle.

    "Zeus is dead, long live the new Zeus!"

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  • Kyman201
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    Originally posted by Dataweaver View Post

    That would be a major reason why Incarnate Scions are fundamentally connected to dead gods, yes: the idea is that the Scion is reconstructing a broken mantle and, upon achieving Apotheosis, reclaims it. If you allow for Incarnate Scions of living gods, you'll eventually need to resolve what happens when the Scion attempts to transition to God-tier; and saying that he can't until the existing god is dead, or that he loses agency by merging into said Godhead, or that existing Godhead loses agency by merging into him, are all problematic.
    You say problematic, I say "Hello character story!"

    Go, rogue Incarnate of Zeus. Kill the old Zeus and take the mantle.

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  • Dataweaver
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    Originally posted by Maitrecorbo View Post

    That is also how id work it.
    Tho i think i sould have that both the incarnate scion and the original god mantle cant coexist at the same time at god tier? Maybe have a clash of somekind happen to readjust who is the mantle.

    Its probably something we'll see more in the God book.
    That would be a major reason why Incarnate Scions are fundamentally connected to dead gods, yes: the idea is that the Scion is reconstructing a broken mantle and, upon achieving Apotheosis, reclaims it. If you allow for Incarnate Scions of living gods, you'll eventually need to resolve what happens when the Scion attempts to transition to God-tier; and saying that he can't until the existing god is dead, or that he loses agency by merging into said Godhead, or that existing Godhead loses agency by merging into him, are all problematic.

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  • Maitrecorbo
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    Originally posted by Mike McCall View Post

    Personally, I'm just saying that the divine parent doesn't have to be dead in order for an Incarnate Scion to happen. Not working according to the rulebook, of course, but definitely flows better for me.
    That is also how id work it.
    Tho i think i sould have that both the incarnate scion and the original god mantle cant coexist at the same time at god tier? Maybe have a clash of somekind happen to readjust who is the mantle.

    Its probably something we'll see more in the God book.

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  • Mike McCall
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    Originally posted by glamourweaver View Post
    I’m really curious to see how playing a figure like Rama is going to work, since he seems to fit the definition of an Incarnate Scion, but his fully divine self (Vishnu) did not die in any way, and in apotheosis Rama seems to become a new Mantle for Vishnu.

    My working hypothesis is that the Deva have a God level Yoga Boon that breaks the normal rules for making Incarnate Scions.
    Personally, I'm just saying that the divine parent doesn't have to be dead in order for an Incarnate Scion to happen. Not working according to the rulebook, of course, but definitely flows better for me.

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