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  • Trategos_Sol
    started a topic God's Whereabouts/Motives/Fate

    God's Whereabouts/Motives/Fate

    Before I ask this question:

    1. This may be a more Demon/Vampire/Wraith centric question
    2. I am fully aware of the published options that are available in the ToJ Book and other end times material (generally speaking)

    Nevertheless, I'm curious to know your favorite explanations about God's ultimate fate in the WoD, plans, motives for doing what they did, etc. Has this issue ever factored heavily in your stories, and if so how? Were your explanations well received by players or, as a player, did you like what your storyteller did?

  • Mister_Dunpeal
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    I think the implications (such as there were) in Demon was that God (and many angels) ended up being fragmented by the Fall (for whatever motives, tho I think Days of Fire and/or Gehenna imply some benevolent and sarcrificial motive to the - female - God. One that humans also had to make.) This would seem to overlap more with the Mage ideas of Pure Ones and the One (esp as I recall the psychopomps/Anakim were also considered a *kind* of Angel, but not Elohim per se) and seems to make sense given the similarity of Lores to True Magick (more implied parallels between the two.)

    There's still a ton of YMMV but I've felt as if God had some analogous role to the Purpose in the Belgariad/Mallorean books and had some sort of master 'plan' that was meant to put the Wheel of Ages back on course, even if it meant an end to the World of Darkness as it was known. Most Elohim either died out or 'changed' (became something like Psychopomps, evolved into Mage-style Avatars or Avatar shards (although TBH I'm not sure if the Scarlet Queen and Ebon Dragon might not have also 'evolved'.)

    The Yahweh/God-entity that we know of in other cases (Eg the interactions of Lilith) may be another, larger fragment and perhaps the remains of whatever is left of the original entity (and may also be the source of the more negative perceptions of said 'God' but I think at this point you're getting kinda dualistic.)

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  • Crowley
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    ok i have an interesting insight, i blame reading too much mysticism as of late.

    So i remember that one of the DtF novels (Ashes and Angel's Dust) mentions how the idea of "Avatars" are fragments of angels embodying humans. So what if demon's got it wrong.

    Humans walked out of paradise denying their need to "obey" and acquiring free will, from that moment on wards god started to die. Being replaced by the Triat as he was put in life support, and the old testament was him/her demanding for obedience but slowly fading away. The current "Conception" we got of God is an existence on life support based on what humanity as a collective conscience assumes

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  • Dezeroth
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    god in my games runs a diner in the center of town, he goes by f***ing Tony, it is the only fully respected neutral ground in the world. God simply set the universe in motion, he is just as much in the dark on how it will end as everyone else and is just enjoying the show along with using this establishment to gently nudge things in a more interesting direction

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  • Eldagusto
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    Originally posted by Matt the Bruins fan View Post
    God is in a coma in a New Jersey hospital hooked up to life support machines after an unfortunate skeeball incident.
    Still?! Man God and Odin have bad luck slumming as Hobos.

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  • Matt the Bruins fan
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    God is in a coma in a New Jersey hospital hooked up to life support machines after an unfortunate skeeball incident.

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  • Eldagusto
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    I like the idea that God Died when he last touched Creation and its many layers collapsed, and God fractured into the Triat.

    And possibly the God of the Fallen is just an Aspect of the Absolute God which is just the Universe itself and the Mirror of the Ialdabaoth Antigod. So the Fallen's God Jehovah has peers.

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  • Reasor
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    The Creator divided Its consciousness into principles of creation, stasis, and entropy in order to gaze at Itself and thereby better understand Itself.

    All of Creation comes from the interplay between these three forces, and when the Triat are reunited, the universe will have served its purpose. All will be One again.

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  • Gryffon15
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    It's a vast question but my loosest answer because I myself go back to forth on the specifics is something along these lines...

    The G-d of Abrahamic lore is a common (perhaps even predominant in the west) cipher for understanding Everything or The One, the cosmic force that represents Everything (time, space, matter, life, souls, etc.) as opposed to Nothing. It is sometimes enterfaced with more directly through ciphers such as The Holy Spirit, Jehovah, and so forth.

    Most people are going about their business with ignorance of The Divine Plan and their roles within it, but akin to The Wheel of Ages, The Plan is in motion and what it is heading towards is difficult to say.

    What can be said is that I generally treat full angelic/divine manifestations on Earth as ultimately impossible in the modern day because frankly if The Archangel Gabriel manifested in Time Square, their very presence may simply shatter the very firmament of The Fallen World and send all of Creation back into the alchemical blender between Everything and Nothing.

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  • Koronus
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    In my theory he is either the first and mightiest Mage or some creation entitie that is busy fighting the forces of Outer Darkness that want the world become the chaotic nothing again like it used to be.

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  • Nyrufa
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    I tend to reject the idea of a singular, all powerful creator and take a more polytheistic approach to the setting. Yahweh is A god, but he's not THE god. Not only are there countless religions far older than the one that worships him, but they also have their own creation stories and divine hierarchy. In fact, I just picked up C20, and it turns out that the Changelings of the far east are considered to be low ranking deities by the culture surrounding them. They even draw power from ceremonial worship, meaning that there's something going on there that isn't covered by Abrahamic doctrine.

    Oh, no wait... demon worship!

    And that's just talking about the other supernatural races. I still haven't pointed out the fact that mages can warp the very fabric of reality itself, which is about the closest you can get to being omnipotent without being declared a god.


    One possible example for how / why Yahweh became as big as he did is burrowed from the Thunderstruck webcomic. Basically, Yahweh is a power hungry dick waffle that decided he wanted to be the only god around, so he killed / imprisoned all of his peers and boasted to everybody about how great he was, until they started to believe him.


    In my Gehenna / end of the world scenario, the ancient Powers That Be are sick of his shit. The current state of the world can be described as FUBAR, and they're here to wipe the slate clean and start fresh. Why else would Gaia declare that the Rokea are intended to survive the apocalypse, if she wasn't planning to rebuild later?
    Last edited by Nyrufa; 01-10-2018, 03:37 AM.

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  • Dezeroth
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    Game wise I would go with God moved on to create other worlds

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  • Amalasuintha
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    Originally posted by Illithid View Post

    Why Lillith being tricked into eating the apple and getting the knowledge? Most versions of Lillith have her being the wife of the Devil. I think with Eve's submission, she would have listened to the serpent and to God's edict in the first place; Lillith as an equal to Adam would not have been as submissive to God's authority and questioned why the fruit was forbidden anyway, probably having eaten it (and the fruit of the Tree of Life) before needing to be tricked.

    I think this links into the end times fair-is-foul with her being master of the gardens. (Also might be that the serpent played the trick on Even at the request of Lillith)
    Lilith was never tricked in the chronicle me and two others are going through. A lone fallen angel(the demon PC in the chronicle) saw her observing Adam and Eve when the other Fallen where revealing themselves to the two and gave her that apple as a gift, which Lilith chose to accept of her own free will.

    Which reminds me of the bahari. They are partially right and partially wrong. So far Lilith has been played as finding their self-mutilation a tad... creepy.

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  • Saur Ops Specialist
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    Originally posted by Crowley View Post
    Days of Fire.
    Lucifer basically says "She is Gone." (some theorize that "she" left to create Exalted..or that she gave up on trying to control humanity..or that's all part of her plan)

    Personally. i like to think that "Her" plan was to cleanse the world from the supernatural but using humans to see if they are worth it. if they are worth the "inherit the earth" speech.

    Or that she was expecting angels to rebel, since she knows her laws were flawed
    But Exalted has no intersection with a supreme being. This goes back to the first edition Fair Folk book, in which Advaita Iraivan - God - was an aspect of the Shinma Nirguna. Nirguna defines existence by not existing itself. Given the cute set theory expression of setting, this, of course, means that there is no God in Exalted, and any that tried to present themselves as a supreme being or, presumably ,were a supreme being somewhere else would be in for a very rude awakening when they interacted with the set of assumptions that holds for the setting of Exalted.

    (Graceful Wicked Masks changed this, but it is eminently ignorable, since it had to have an entire book's worth of errata to make it work.)

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  • Illithid
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    Originally posted by Amalasuintha View Post
    I thought it'd be fun to encourage players who decided to play Demons/Fallen to have made or been architects of various pieces of reality. So a PC character with eminence 5 became the real embodiment of the sun(which is pretty amusing since the other two players went for vampires instead) and the serpent in the garden(except Lilith was the one that got the apple and not Eve). So I figured since we're crossing over all of cWoD to some extent and with Helios being real, he must've been made to replace it to avoid disaster since this particular Creation was the one where all the stuff had to be invented wholesale.
    Besides toying around with established ideas and seeing players figure which thing is as canon says and which aren't is pretty.
    Why Lillith being tricked into eating the apple and getting the knowledge? Most versions of Lillith have her being the wife of the Devil. I think with Eve's submission, she would have listened to the serpent and to God's edict in the first place; Lillith as an equal to Adam would not have been as submissive to God's authority and questioned why the fruit was forbidden anyway, probably having eaten it (and the fruit of the Tree of Life) before needing to be tricked.

    I think this links into the end times fair-is-foul with her being master of the gardens. (Also might be that the serpent played the trick on Even at the request of Lillith)

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