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  • What if there was a 51st state?

    So I saw a while ago in some facebook group someone had the idea of creating a new island country in the Pacific, I always liked this kind of idea. So what if there turned out to be 51 states, I'm thinking of also going the route of an Island in the Pacific closer to California.

    But here is the kicker what if it was Erased/Obliviated by some major magic mojo, I'm thinking along the lines of Archmages, Antediluvians, Or True Fae. But over the course of the game you are playing, whatever game it is, the Island is popped back into the world. But due to its mystically forgotten nature it actually starts slowly developing connections to the world rewriting history as it starts being woven back into fate.

    What would be the best way to portray this? I chose for it to be slowly rewoven into the world because that way you can still keep magic secret, but sell me on your idea. What would be the most interesting way to portray this idea, like how big should the island be? Did it have a Native culture? I'm thinking maybe it did at one time but they are extinct now. What was the island before it became a state? A Colony of Spain or Portugal? When should it have become a state? I'm thinking I may include this in my upcoming Changeling game.

    This would be an interesting way to say have it be the location of maybe an Ante's Torpid Form, or even what if it is where Caine hides from the World?


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  • #2
    Maybe you should start smaller than a state, you could have a perfectly good Brigadoom with the Umbra or the Dreaming and then you don't need Super over the top npc action that your pcs can't really touch.

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    • #3
      I love the idea of manipulating reality like this, I think it opens up a lot of really great story options.

      Just to confirm you want something that did originally exist, but was hidden from reality and is now slowly fading back again?

      * Logistics
      - The Island (or island chain) would have to be big enough that it was considered an independent state and having not been annexed by the nearest mainland state, or possibly for a smaller island: have enough wealth, defence force and political clout to demand being a different state. (Maybe during the War of Independence it was a powerful Naval base that ran interference against the English navy to reduce supplies or troops coming to ground)
      - It would need to have a large enough population to be stable, and the island to appear to be self sufficient in the past for materials, food etc.
      - If the land was sufficient for a large colony, then there was probably a native population there; with it being isolated from reality; maybe the colonists and Natives could have had a better relationship than they do in the rest of America, maybe look at New Zealand for how the Colonists and Maoris have combined cultures. (Signs in English and native languages, most of the population can speak both, etc)
      - What would the area be known for now? Exports, significant imports, tourism; state and main city nicknames (Windy City/Big Apple, etc) Unspoilt wilderness reserves and animals that are now extinct on the mainland?

      * How to portray
      - First thing for the players to notice would probably be the American Flag, I assume in a few night's travel it'd be seen around the place a few times (depending on the location that the story is set) - it would look slightly odd with 51 stars instead of 50, but characters might not pick up exactly what the issue is to start with. You could mess with the players and have it noticeable only on goods imported from your island to start, then the nearest state, and spread to the rest of the country. Maybe have it spread due to the influence instead of relative location.
      - Have them recognise something that sounds like a similar accent, but not quite; something that belongs to your state
      - Adds for tourism/ holidays to this location in the "Background"
      - People discussing the *Imported Goods* (like Maine Lobster being the best)

      *Flavour
      - Flavour it depending on the source of magic; glamourous changes to things that make people question reality, people mentioning having wierd dreams that the state didn't exist.

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      • #4
        Oh but I’ve already done the new city thing. Part of why I want to try this is because of the ambitious ness of it. I rarely see it. It’s kind of like exploring g time travel without time travel.


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        • #5
          Those are good ideas. How big/populous should I make it? I think it would be more fun to at least have it larger/more populous then Hawaii. One person made an island that was the size of Manhattan but also made it as populous as Manhattan but that didn’t make sense to me if it was farther off the coast.


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          • #6
            Originally posted by Eldagusto View Post
            Oh but I’ve already done the new city thing. Part of why I want to try this is because of the ambitious ness of it. I rarely see it. It’s kind of like exploring g time travel without time travel.

            I mean how do the players potentially engage with it? I mean you could always go with "There really are 8 continents" Or "There's a second Moon" or Go full on Escaflowne. I don't see how players get to engage with the idea.

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            • #7
              A little bit of research is starting to get me a lot confused...
              Why is Puerto Rico not a state when it has 3.7 million residents? is it Purely Racism, or is there a rational reason; it has 1% of the population and should have 4-5 seats in the house of reps.... It's been a part of the US for longer than Alaska and Hawaii have been as well as New Mexico and Oklahoma.

              Anyway

              I would recommend keeping the population sort of low, over 500,000 population but under 1 Million; where they'd get one seat on the house of reps and 3 electoral College Votes. (Have the votes never have mattered, and in the years that 3 votes might have, either they voted for the winner, a third part, or split the votes.)
              Apparently Hawaii, especially Honolulu has very high population density, so look at islands for the densities to get a total landmass. You could also have a lot of the "Population" reside on fishing charters or other off-shore options.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Illithid View Post
                A little bit of research is starting to get me a lot confused...
                Why is Puerto Rico not a state when it has 3.7 million residents? is it Purely Racism, or is there a rational reason; it has 1% of the population and should have 4-5 seats in the house of reps.... It's been a part of the US for longer than Alaska and Hawaii have been as well as New Mexico and Oklahoma.
                Its complicated, but the short of it is Puerto Rico doesn't want to become a state. They get citizenship but don't have to pay federal taxes I believe.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Grimmi05 View Post
                  Its complicated, but the short of it is Puerto Rico doesn't want to become a state. They get citizenship but don't have to pay federal taxes I believe.
                  They also don't get power or fresh water apparently....

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Grimmi05 View Post
                    Its complicated, but the short of it is Puerto Rico doesn't want to become a state. They get citizenship but don't have to pay federal taxes I believe.
                    Yeah from my understanding they have tradeoffs and they don't unanimously want to become a state because many would lose more then they perceive they would gain from voter representation.


                    But okay those are interesting stats. I'm thinking of going with the population density similar to Hawaii or Puerto Rico or Guam, but maybe with some land that was uninhabited due to some reason, maybe on paper because they say its something like ecological hazards like pests, but off paper the locals consider it haunted because an Antediluvian or something slumbers underneath and is deterring more then an ancient agreed upon number of mortals on its land. But perhaps through the course of the chronicle the land is freed from whatever curses it and a settlement boom occurs and a city grows out of a village? What are good excuses for a sizeable portion of land on a good island to not be inhabited?


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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Eldagusto View Post
                      Yeah from my understanding they have tradeoffs and they don't unanimously want to become a state because many would lose more then they perceive they would gain from voter representation.

                      But okay those are interesting stats. I'm thinking of going with the population density similar to Hawaii or Puerto Rico or Guam, but maybe with some land that was uninhabited due to some reason, maybe on paper because they say its something like ecological hazards like pests, but off paper the locals consider it haunted because an Antediluvian or something slumbers underneath and is deterring more then an ancient agreed upon number of mortals on its land. But perhaps through the course of the chronicle the land is freed from whatever curses it and a settlement boom occurs and a city grows out of a village? What are good excuses for a sizeable portion of land on a good island to not be inhabited?
                      It could just start off as a reserve (Animal, or Native American) that when they investigate, they find the extra bad mojo...
                      -Maybe a site of religious significance for the Native Population that is Taboo to approach (I don't know how respectful American law/culture might be of such a thing though)

                      I would usually say that something like a volcano could stop people settling, but damn if pacific islands and Hawaii don't prove that wrong already.

                      *Also a good reason - area inside a Mountain range or Extinct volcano; it's not feasible to live in them for the most part, and woulld be a great place that people THINK they disposed of an Antidiluvian (Inside a Volcano) only to find that it just encased them in the volcano as the power of the antediluvian cooled it....

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                      • #12
                        Oh those are some Hella neat Ideas!


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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Eldagusto View Post
                          Oh those are some Hella neat Ideas!
                          Thank you Eldagusto

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Grimmi05 View Post
                            Its complicated, but the short of it is Puerto Rico doesn't want to become a state. They get citizenship but don't have to pay federal taxes I believe.
                            That's not true at all.

                            Puerto Rico DOES want to become a state. Just a certain party doesn't want another "Blue state' added to the Union. That's pretty much it.

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                            • #15
                              The State of Franklin, with something closer to Arthur Campbell's more ambitious borders including Tennessee east of the Tennessee River, Virginia's Cumberland Mountains region, part of Kentucky's Cumberland Plateau area, and the northwest corner of Georgia. This would basically be a state founded and run by fiercely independent Scotts-Irish settlers, and for our purposes, we'll say that the state government managed to uphold and maintain most of it's peace treaties with the various branches of the Cherokee and thanks to native son, Congressman and Governor David Crockett, refusing to enforce Andrew Jackson's Indian Removal Act. The result is a bilingual state with a large assimilated Cherokee minority. This state would not have succeeded during the Civil War. This might result in a slightly shorter war, or at least the Deep South being cut off from the Atlantic coastal regions more quickly, but that's very nebulous. The state probably would've remained solidly Republican after Reconstruction (as the eastern area of Tennessee did).
                              For the purposes of this alternate history, and especially to make it relevant to Mage, we'll say that, being Governor of Franklin, David Crockett didn't die at the Alamo, and so lived to the age of 80 in 1866. In his older years, he becomes a prolific public speaker and writer, advocating limited federal government, private charity for the poor, anti-imperialism, and equal treatment under the law, while also corresponding with the likes of John Quincy Adams, Henry Clay, Daniel Webster, Abraham Lincoln, Elizabeth Cady Stanton and Fredrick Douglass. Such work ends up influencing people like Mark Twain, Booker T. Washington, William Graham Sumner, Horace White, William McKinley, William Howard Taft, Irving Babbitt, and others, with the end result of the so-called Bourbon Democrats of the late 19th century never losing control of their party to Williams Jenning Bryant and the Progressives, and the Republican Party staying focused on limited government, equal rights, and working/middle classes. Thus the idea of Progressive Technocratism never takes hold of the reigns of power in the United States. This is a major set back to the Union of Technocratic Order and Progress, and statistician models all predict that the best solution to eliminating Crockett's later influence is to eliminate the state of Franklin. This is accomplished with H.G. Wells's time machine, the paradox backlash rendering the device fictional once it's mission is accomplished.

                              (I can stretch this idea to ludicrousness by having Crockett also be an influence on Franz Ferdinand of Austria, who, when his uncle dies early around 1900, begins turning the Austria-Hungarian Empire into what would eventually become the Federal Republic of the Danube, never tries to annex Bosnia, and so heading off the Great War and with it the Bolshevik take over of Russia and the rise of National Socialism in Germany.)

                              A temporal echo of the state of Franklin still exists in the Appalachians, accessible if one knows the right places to look and the right rituals to perform. Sometimes mundane people wander into it by mistake via something akin to Shallowings, often mistaking it for a dream if they come back out again.

                              In Neil Gaiman's American Gods, there's an offhand mention of Franklin being home to the last American Thunderbirds (be they pterodactyls or giant eagles or dragons, your choice). Other possible native bygones include Nunnehi, wampus cats, and black dogs.

                              Mages native to this reality shard may still be organized in something like the Lodge set up originally proposed for Victorian Age Mage. If so, I like to think that there's a Hermetic House based around the Cherokee language and the mystical power inherent in the creation of it's alphabet.

                              Last edited by No One of Consequence; 07-22-2018, 08:54 AM.


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