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  • #16
    Originally posted by Lian View Post

    That's not true at all.

    Puerto Rico DOES want to become a state. Just a certain party doesn't want another "Blue state' added to the Union. That's pretty much it.
    That's slightly nebulous, as the last vote on the issue apparently had only a 23% voter turn out. This could be interpreted as the majority of the population being content with the status quo or just completely indifferent to the issue. There's also a long running, if increasingly shrinking, nationalist independence movement which has ranged from the official political parties to violent terrorist organizations (FALN being the most infamous, largely for their bombing campaigns in NYC and Chicago in the 1970s). One of the biggest obstacles to statehood is it's economy, with it's poverty levels rivaling those of Appalachia before the War on Poverty and it's crippling debt arguably making it unable to meet the requirement that it be able to "carry it's share of the cost of the federal government". Although, yes, the Democratic Party largely wants Puerto Rico (and Washington DC) as states because they think they'd be easy Senate gains, the same way they're staunchly against the idea of separating Cook County from the rest of Illinois, New York City from the rest of the state, turning Northern California and part of Oregon into the state of Jefferson, or eastern Washington into Lincoln/Cascadia, because such areas would likely vote Republican.


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    • #17
      It's an interesting idea, but I don't think "off the coast of California" would be a very interesting place to "pop" a large, well populated island "state" into existence. I was going to suggest the Caribbean, whether or not you'd like to use Puerto Rico as your model, but if you want it in the Pacific, I'd like to suggest either putting it farther North, off the coast of Washington or British Columbia, or much farther out into the Pacific, around Guam, Midway Atoll, or even Bikini Atoll.

      You could even have the unmade state reappear gradually from the "seed" of a real-life island in Micronesia. It could start as the real-life island, but gradually become larger and more prominent without any kind volcanic activity or any other explanation.
      Last edited by Wilson; 07-23-2018, 07:15 PM.

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      • #18
        There is that big island of floating trash out there in the Pacific Ocean. How about the Rokera do a ritual to try and clear it up because the micro particles of plastic are making it hard to breath, Pentex's biotech division uses the trash island to field test their new Bladderwort Mangrove; a hybrid of Bladderwort plant and the Red Mangrove, and a group of changelings try to reach the Island of Hy--Brasil, Irony intervenes and their efforts combine to make the trash coalesce into a circular floating island about midway in size between Jamaica and the South Island of New Zealand. Pentex initially claims dominion but quickly relinquishes control to the United States. Publicly it's because of strange bio-tech lifeforms appearing on the island, privately it's due to pressure from the Bilderberg and the vampires that control the Bilderberg.

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        • #19
          That’s an interesting idea if I was going to make a new island for a plot rather then change the history of the setting. But it’s neat. Plastic animism and Bonegnawers claiming it as a holy land founded by a legendary Theurge. They can allow Glasswalkers and Uktena to help plumb its mysteries and make pacts with the spirits.

          Originally posted by Wilson View Post
          It's an interesting idea, but I don't think "off the coast of California" would be a very interesting place to "pop" a large, well populated island "state" into existence. I was going to suggest the Caribbean, whether or not you'd like to use Puerto Rico as your model, but if you want it in the Pacific, I'd like to suggest either putting it farther North, off the coast of Washington or British Columbia, or much farther out into the Pacific, around Guam, Midway Atoll, or even Bikini Atoll.

          You could even have the unmade state reappear gradually from the "seed" of a real-life island in Micronesia. It could start as the real-life island, but gradually become larger and more prominent without any kind volcanic activity or any other explanation.
          Interesting idea to expand an existing island as where to place it! Micronesia would be a good Locale for where I plan.

          If that was the case what about the idea of it maybe becoming a state around World War 2 as it was a theater of war.
          Last edited by Eldagusto; 01-27-2019, 12:42 AM. Reason: Clicked too soon


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          • #20
            Originally posted by Eldagusto View Post
            If that was the case what about the idea of it maybe becoming a state around World War 2 as it was a theater of war.
            Battle of Midway! If all the trash in the Pacific ocean has been accumulating there since the 2nd World War it would be a pretty hefty landmass by now.

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            • #21
              Bit of historical trivia, early Spanish explorers initially believed California was an island, because of the size of the Gulf of California. They also didn't know for certain Florida was connected to Mexico/New Spain until the remains of deSoto's expedition stumbled into southeast Texas. There's probably something interesting to be done with an Americas broken up into a few dozen large islands.

              As for the Pacific, a large volcanic island off the coast of Oregon (resulting from the Blanco Fracture Zone and/or Gorda Ridge maybe), about the size of Vermont or New Hamshire (or maybe Michigan's UP at most) would be pretty feasible, relatively speaking.


              What is tolerance? It is the consequence of humanity. We are all formed of frailty and error; let us pardon reciprocally each other's folly. That is the first law of nature.
              Voltaire, "Tolerance" (1764)

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