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  • Alternative(maybe?) canon origins of the Imbued?

    So... as far as I know, there are two different canon origins about them.

    1. One follows KotE cosmology very well. Ebon Dragon and Scarlett Queen may create them.
    A. stuff in HtR ST Companion heavily hints the origin of Kuei-jin in KotE corebook. Precedented Imbued are created to fight against Yama Kings, later they are cursed for stealing Chi from mortals and become the Kuei-jin we know.
    B. Book Hermit also implies this.
    C. ToJ of KotE suggests you can put them in your game.

    2. The other follows the D:tF cosmology well. Sorry I'm not familiar with Demon.
    A. I only know Imbueds may be the biggest foe of Demon according to the D:tF ST Companion.
    B. And some claims that, divine and infernal paths in Fall from Grace of H:tR imply you can gain Lv.5 Edges from Angels and Earthbounds.
    C. And ToJ of D:tF directly says Lucifer creates them as his armies.

    3. Some think both of them are the one. SQ and ED in KotE are the last two Angels on Earth.

    So what's your opinion? I want to talk about this only on canon perspective(After all you can rewrite anything in your game). Please correct or tell me more details.
    Last edited by Rock113; 07-09-2019, 12:48 AM.

  • #2
    The third option, IIRC, is the "canon" one. The Messengers are angels, possibly the last two or at least the last two who give a shit about earth. The Yomi Lords are a type of demon. The August Personage of Jade is God with a capital G.

    The real issue is that Dekon doesn't play well with others. The whole multiple layers of reality thing doesn't change the fact that it makes it real hard to fit certain elements into setting. But, inasmuch as they can play nice, the intent was for the imbued to be created by Angel's who also are Yin and Yang embodied.

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    • #3
      The Ministers are One very bored Solar during the First Age. Just One.

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      • #4
        I like that Imbued are the shattered and divied up Exaltations of some of the Solars. They are invested in mortals as much weaker form of the Ten Thousand Immortals.


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        • #5
          Originally posted by EndlessKng View Post
          The third option, IIRC, is the "canon" one. The Messengers are angels, possibly the last two or at least the last two who give a shit about earth. The Yomi Lords are a type of demon. The August Personage of Jade is God with a capital G.

          The real issue is that Dekon doesn't play well with others. The whole multiple layers of reality thing doesn't change the fact that it makes it real hard to fit certain elements into setting. But, inasmuch as they can play nice, the intent was for the imbued to be created by Angel's who also are Yin and Yang embodied.
          First of all thanks very much. I used to think this thread is completely missed.

          So do you have more specific information about this option? But I agree with you. In my opinion KotE and D:tF both have completely different cultural backgrounds. It IS difficult to combine both of them.

          Originally posted by Eldagusto View Post
          I like that Imbued are the shattered and divied up Exaltations of some of the Solars. They are invested in mortals as much weaker form of the Ten Thousand Immortals.
          Sorry but to be honest I don't know what’s the “Solar”, “Exaltation”... Are they in Exalted? I just look through this game by wiki. IIRC its 1st edition interacts more with CWoD than latters, in 3rd edition this section is completely removed.

          And I remember KotE corebook mentions that precedented hunters who would become Kuei later were still mortals, but they can travel between material and spiritual worlds and gain energy from others( Also mentioned in Hunter ST companion) which make them much more powerful than Modern Imbued.
          Last edited by Rock113; 07-17-2019, 03:01 AM.

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          • #6
            To simplify just consider Imbued a weaker form of the Wan Xian, they are weaker to I believe curb the danger of them being compromised,and they are disposable yet useful.


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            • #7
              I don't believe they are shattered, broken what have you.. a Hunter's essence is to a Solar Exalt shard as a Ghoul's is to an Antedeluvian. Connected and empowered but not making the Ante any less. The previous Wan xian being more like Kindred in this analogy...but still not coming close.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Eldagusto View Post
                To simplify just consider Imbued a weaker form of the Wan Xian, they are weaker to I believe curb the danger of them being compromised,and they are disposable yet useful.
                Well add a question, Do you know traits Wan Xian has?

                Descriptions about Wan Xian are vague, I think maybe you can use the system of KotE to represent them?... but this will be a different game compared to H:tR...

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                • #9
                  They are vague, the Wan Gui seem to have degenerate versions of their Disciplines.


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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Eldagusto View Post
                    They are vague, the Wan Gui seem to have degenerate versions of their Disciplines.
                    I know this, that's why I say using Kuei's system to portray them. Discipline section of KotE corebook mentions that some disciplines can date back to Wan Xian. One of them even points it out directly(Obligation).

                    Maybe they are un-cursed "living" form of Kuei-Jin? They can drain Chi from everywhere and don't have some disadvantages Kuei have, which like being harmed by sunlights.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Rock113 View Post

                      I know this, that's why I say using Kuei's system to portray them. Discipline section of KotE corebook mentions that some disciplines can date back to Wan Xian. One of them even points it out directly(Obligation).

                      Maybe they are un-cursed "living" form of Kuei-Jin? They can drain Chi from everywhere and don't have some disadvantages Kuei have, which like being harmed by sunlights.
                      Yeah and it was before they needed Dharmas to tie to their Powertrait so it was probably a less constraining power trait limiting them.


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                      • #12
                        To get some ideas of their powers look to how Shintais worked in Blood & Silk and go back towards even more direct and organic control of the elements. Soul Disciplines might be somewhat accurate, there would be no Demon Disciplines since the Po is clearly one of the marks of their fall.

                        They would breath in Chi harmlessly from the environment but this would also mean that they need time to regain their strength if they overextend themselves, which is why the Yama King’s could corrupt them by teaching them to rip Chi from others to gain more power and regain their strength faster. This forced consumption of Chi might have even been what Awakened the Po within them driving them further into corruption and growing strong from the stolen Chi.

                        They had no weakness to sunlight, remember Yu shot down a few extra suns which would require him to be in their light.

                        If they had a powerstat, which they may not necessarily had, it would be something they grow into, ie buy with exp instead of being tied to Dharma’s. But they might not have a powerstat and instead might have been capable of reaching their full potential just by learning. In modern terms they would have no Dharma but could raise their Attributes, Abilities and Disciplines to their maximum potential through experience, said maximum being 10.

                        They also could pass some of their power to their Golden Children who while not as powerful as the Wan xian were still quite formidable, their exploits worthy of legends of their own. Their murdered souls being reborn into Dhampyrs ever since their fall.

                        Those are my opinions about the matter YMMV but they are based on what we know of the Wan Xian based on KotE sources.

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