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  • Playing as Kaiju in oWoD?

    Homebrewed stuff like Transformers: Beast Wars and Highlander have been done before using oWoD as a frame. What about playing as a Kaiju? What skills would the players have as a Giant Monster or Background merits?

  • #2
    TBH, I'd just repurpose Bygone Beastiary to make a kaiju. It works pretty well and you can get some serious Tokyo-stomping mileage out of it.

    ... I mean, I assume you could. I have never done such a thing personally, especially not in '99 after I saw a particular American remake of a Japanese classic. Not even once did I make a giant lizard-like creature that wrecked all of Boston, nor did I make such a thing for a very off-the-walls loose-rules MtA game. And my players would never have called it "Zilly" and helped it find a nice home elsewhere.

    Because that would be silly. And I am not silly.


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    • #3
      The closest thing to official in that regard are the Mokole who can get very big in their war forms. It might be worth looking at for at least a starting ground.

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      • #4
        Naw, I'm with Vysha on this one. Bygone Bestiary can make Bygones with loads of Size. It's an Advantage you can buy.

        Granted, it'll be difficult to justify a Kaiju operating in the modern day, without getting absolutely destroyed by Disbelief and/or The Army. Not unless the character can also shapeshift into a more mundane creature.

        Now, operating as a Kaiju in earlier eras could be more doable, so long as you stay away from pesky saints.


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        • #5
          I think you would have to incorporate something akin to Storypath's scale system.


          What is tolerance? It is the consequence of humanity. We are all formed of frailty and error; let us pardon reciprocally each other's folly. That is the first law of nature.
          Voltaire, "Tolerance" (1764)

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          • #6
            Originally posted by No One of Consequence View Post
            I think you would have to incorporate something akin to Storypath's scale system.
            That, or make use of the demolition rules in Creedbook: Avenger. Designate large enough beings as dealing out damage that can take out entire floors of a building, while simultaneously requiring such havoc to injure them. Sure, it may be really easy to hit the massive Mokole with a silver or gold bullet, but the difference in size makes it about as significant as a tiny splinter of silver to a Crinos Garou. Not that 90% silver wrecking balls are really affordable... (over $500K from the material alone!)

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            • #7
              The question is how would a mortal army even figure out the Mokoles' weakness.. Its a relatively rare Fera that not many Supernaturals in WoD know about. Not even the Garou know much about the Mokole since the War of Rage.

              Using a Mokole as a Giant Monster isn't really what I would look for anyway since they aren't meant to wantonly destroy humanity that way. I mean like classic Giant Monsters/Kaiju (not necessarily purely a giant Lizard like Godzilla is) that just comes out of nowhere and wreacking stuff. Using the Bygone book is a nice start though, but I don't want it to be a Chimerical type thing where it disappears due to Consensus. I'm talking about a real tangible monster that wasn't ever affected by the Shattering. A real primordial beast with nothing else but to awaken a rule as a new apex predator.

              Then like usual in most Kaiju movies have most of the RP be about fighting other Kaiju fight while the mortal/human governments react. It'll more fun with this happening in the WoD universe where the various Supernaturals also get to react to this monster madness craziness. So yeah, I'll re-check Bygone Beastiary again and see what I can gleam from it. Hmm now I wonder what kind of theoretical stat sheet Godzilla would have...

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              • #8
                I have a half formed concept in my head of people who have kaiju souls, and can channel some power from that, but full on kaiju battles can only happen in something similar to what you see in the Dr. Strange movie so that cities don't actually get destroyed by giant monsters.


                What is tolerance? It is the consequence of humanity. We are all formed of frailty and error; let us pardon reciprocally each other's folly. That is the first law of nature.
                Voltaire, "Tolerance" (1764)

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Shakanaka View Post
                  The question is how would a mortal army even figure out the Mokoles' weakness.. Its a relatively rare Fera that not many Supernaturals in WoD know about. Not even the Garou know much about the Mokole since the War of Rage.

                  Using a Mokole as a Giant Monster isn't really what I would look for anyway since they aren't meant to wantonly destroy humanity that way. I mean like classic Giant Monsters/Kaiju (not necessarily purely a giant Lizard like Godzilla is) that just comes out of nowhere and wreacking stuff. Using the Bygone book is a nice start though, but I don't want it to be a Chimerical type thing where it disappears due to Consensus. I'm talking about a real tangible monster that wasn't ever affected by the Shattering. A real primordial beast with nothing else but to awaken a rule as a new apex predator.

                  Then like usual in most Kaiju movies have most of the RP be about fighting other Kaiju fight while the mortal/human governments react. It'll more fun with this happening in the WoD universe where the various Supernaturals also get to react to this monster madness craziness. So yeah, I'll re-check Bygone Beastiary again and see what I can gleam from it. Hmm now I wonder what kind of theoretical stat sheet Godzilla would have...
                  The Mokole don't go on murder sprees in giant Archid forms as a matter of habit, no, but the Weaver Ascendant scenario of Apocalypse had general property-destroying rampages as a necessity in order to loosen up the Weaver's webs. If you're using said scenario or it's an imminent possibility glimpsed through the use of Backwards Mnesis or the Gift: Breaking the Tomorrow Wall, it could be an important event or series of events in the chronicle.

                  Also note that in referring to Godzilla, its original appearance wasn't from out of nowhere. It was meant to have awakened as a result of tremendous damage to the environment via thermonuclear weapons testing, albeit as a victim or casualty wandering around in terrible pain rather than an avenger or countermeasure.

                  Werewolf has another giant monster related to nuclear weapons testing that's decidedly more malign, though, in the form of Thunderwyrms, and Grandmother Thunderwyrm ("Grammaw") in particular, as the central anchoring being of the Trinity Hive. If large thunderwyrms start showing up, the Mokole might have to act, even in cities...

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by No One of Consequence View Post
                    I have a half formed concept in my head of people who have kaiju souls, and can channel some power from that, but full on kaiju battles can only happen in something similar to what you see in the Dr. Strange movie so that cities don't actually get destroyed by giant monsters.

                    So... changeling.


                    Honestly though Gridman would probably be a better source thematically. Kaiju "kill" things and remove them from history its then cleared up later. Only Gridman can engage with them.
                    Last edited by Lian; 01-21-2020, 09:08 PM.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Lian View Post


                      So... changeling.


                      Honestly though Gridman would probably be a better source thematically. Kaiju "kill" things and remove them from history its then cleared up later. Only Gridman can engage with them.
                      (Spoiler tag for late-season Gridman details)


                      Then again, SSSS Gridman effectively takes place in a pocket dimension that's ultimately manipulated by a real life human, so it's not quite a match for the WoD...

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                      • #12
                        Gridman is probably along the lines of what I was thinking of. That and Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. But also somewhat thematically in line with Godzilla: King of the Monsters, with said battles having real world consequences that impact urban development, pollution, how bad natural disasters and major industrial accidents end up being, and even cultural zeitgeists depending on what happens.


                        What is tolerance? It is the consequence of humanity. We are all formed of frailty and error; let us pardon reciprocally each other's folly. That is the first law of nature.
                        Voltaire, "Tolerance" (1764)

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Saur Ops Specialist View Post

                          (Spoiler tag for late-season Gridman details)


                          Then again, SSSS Gridman effectively takes place in a pocket dimension that's ultimately manipulated by a real life human, so it's not quite a match for the WoD...

                          I was using it as an example. It would be neat as a sort of mage add on, monsters fight and reality is warped behind the scenes.... where only the Supernaturals remember the truth.


                          As for Gridman proper.. its set in the Digital Web.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by No One of Consequence View Post
                            I have a half formed concept in my head of people who have kaiju souls, and can channel some power from that, but full on kaiju battles can only happen in something similar to what you see in the Dr. Strange movie so that cities don't actually get destroyed by giant monsters.
                            So...Beast: the Primordial? xD

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                            • #15
                              I would be so, SO much more interested in W5 if it literally ditched the racist, sexist, and self-pitying werewolves and became a game about the Mokole rising and taking the lead against the Wyrm - movie level demolition of landmarks and tourist attractions and all. Release it as an alternative universe supplement, at least.

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