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  • Rules for Wan Xian

    So I designed a ToJ ending, imbueds and shihs are turned into Wan Xian and fighted back. I used KotE rules to present them. See below

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    So these are fast rules I have made, welcome to correct:
    1. They can breath in Chi harmlessly from environment (for example, Osmois) and have no weakness to sunlight. They may also have a large pool of Chi according to Time of Judgement. In one of endings the Shih can get 100 Chi at most, so I think this is their normal potential.

    2. Dharma:
    They don’t have Dharma, but could raise their traits, Attributes, Abilities and Disciplines to their maximum 10-dot potential just through exp.

    3. Chi Balance:
    They may remain a perfect Chi balance, aka. always Balanced. Or imbalance of Chi won’t effect them, for example they can keep full Yang Chi but no Yin ones in their body.

    4. P’o:
    They don’t have P’o, but they may also have Hun (or Chi)-powered destructive powers like Demon Arts.

    5. Disciplines:
    All disciplines they use maybe much greater and “divine” than Kuei-Jin’s, (I think I can result Hunter the Recknoning) see below:
     (1) They use Godbodies of Fourth Age, or ones which is much closer to them. Have a much more direct and organic control of five elements.
     (2) All Chi disciplines remain the same.
     (3) Cultivation may not exist then, for it is used to understand P’o.. But they may have similar discipline. All other Soul Disciplines remain the same, but may be more accurate.
     (4) About Demon Arts, I wonder If they really don’t have them? Or these Arts are just the degeneration form of their own. For me:
      1) I think they have disciplines like Black Wind, but it is called “Divine Wind” and powered by Hun or Chi.
      2) Fourth Age still has Godbody of Demon, the Jin Hai and Dhampry too. So I think they may also has it, but according to Jin Hai and Dhampry, their “demonic” form may have much less infernal things, but divine and terrible avatar of God.

    6. Backgrounds:
    I think all backgrounds apply to them. But they don’t have Wu, instead they have clans. According to Shadow War they remain a tie which is even much tigher than normal families.


    They may purchase traits with much lower freebie points.
    Last edited by Rock113; 03-30-2020, 01:51 PM.

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    • #3
      The rules for consumption and cycling of golden chi - which, in character, is compared to day to day existence as one of the Wan Xian - suggest that dharmas would still be there in some form or fashion, along with a functionally unlimited capacity to store chi, which can be used for either aspect as the immortal wishes.

      It seems like you could also re-spin the Po from demon to a measure of how wrathful any given immortal is. That may make it too close to Rage for comfort, though. It is the case that certain of the powers that they had to drain chi would still be available as purer immortals, as they were always present, but it was supposedly the abuse of them that led to the present sorry state of affairs.

      Edit:: Perhaps flip the gold chi addiction rules so that they apply to the act of stealing chi in general instead of gold from spirit beings, specifically.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Saur Ops Specialist View Post
        The rules for consumption and cycling of golden chi
        I wonder why golden chi can have so much divine, and hisen are called Little Gods? Iirc hisen are just eastern changelings, their chi only have chimera. Devil-Tiger book doesn’t at my hand

        Originally posted by Saur Ops Specialist View Post
        suggest that dharmas would still be there in some form or fashion, along with a functionally unlimited capacity to store chi, which can be used for either aspect as the immortal wishes.
        Some also suggest they will ascend to Heaven as long as be enlightened enough. So maybe they also have something like dharma but it’s more voluntary, much like Road of Vampires. And yeah, their chi is very versatile, don’t have imbalance problems at least

        Originally posted by Saur Ops Specialist View Post
        It seems like you could also re-spin the Po from demon to a measure of how wrathful any given immortal is. That may make it too close to Rage for comfort, though.
        A good idea

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        • #5
          Yeah I would maybe instead of Dharma just have a trait called Qi or Dao. They can raise it much easier with experience rather then say the age and strict philosophical limitations of Dharma.

          Remember the Wu'Tian are also an inheritor of their legacy, and their powers are very similar to the Exalted of first edition, even having snake style.

          I would compare the Hsien more to the Fallen then Changelings. They worked for greater ministers of heaven and sheparded the world after it was created and the Fallen were gone and could not do so. I consider the Hsien essentially being like if the Dark Age Fae of Asia aligned with Heaven millenia before the shattering brought about Banality and the Fae elsewhere tied themselves to the Dreaming as a response. They were gods tied to Heaven rather then ones who ran wild like the rest of the world.


          It is a time for great deeds!

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Rock113 View Post
            I wonder why golden chi can have so much divine, and hisen are called Little Gods? Iirc hisen are just eastern changelings, their chi only have chimera. Devil-Tiger book doesn’t at my hand
            Hsien aren't Changelings (Dream-creatures who exist between this world and the world of dreams). They're spirits/gods who were banished from heaven and are reborn inside of humans. They're changelings (little c) in that they're supernatural beings who are born and grow up as normal humans and then discover their supernatural origin later on. Life cycle-wise, Hsien are similar to Changelings (in that both are generally normal humans who discover their supernatural ancestry and abilities while young), but they're not Changelings, and they don't deal with the Dreaming or Glamour at all.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Saur Ops Specialist View Post
              The rules for consumption and cycling of golden chi - which, in character, is compared to day to day existence as one of the Wan Xian - suggest that dharmas would still be there in some form or fashion, along with a functionally unlimited capacity to store chi, which can be used for either aspect as the immortal wishes.
              According to Yugen sidebar in Devil-Tigers I sum up several advantages:

              1. Quite concentrated, for example circulating around the heart

              2. Won’t occupy original Chi pool

              3. Can be used as Yin or Yang Chi to power disciplines. (It means Wan Xian rather have “unified” Chi than distinct ones?)

              4. Can animate body for 10 days like Yin Chi but have all benefits Yang have, and can last as long as he spends doing so

              5. maxi Dharma dots lift, but Auspicious Occasions can be easier as long as he retains original dharma, and Blindness won’t be more.

              But now I think Wan Xian may store ultimate unified Chi in theory, and it can be used to power either Yin or Yang disciplines. It also combines Yin and Yang benefits when animating themselves

              And Wan Xian may not have “Disciplines” wield by Kuei-Jim, they have much greater and more unified powers (Maybe, just like Lores of Demon?), and some disciplines may be their born abilities (For example, Obligation may be a ability born with just like Demon’s apocalyptic forms). Jin Hai sidebar also says they have powers “equal” to the kuei Jin disciplines

              Yin disciplines like Yin Prana may not exist then according to Bone Flowers. They think black lotus temple is its one of origins. And Jin Hai also doesn’t mention this

              They still have Little Death and Final Death according to the Jin Hai sidebar

              They may pass some powers to their children, I think Joss may also come from them

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              • #8
                Wouldn't they have the pure elemental forms rather then the degenerate Blood Shintai they would have Water Shintai?

                I can see them having pretty similar levels of power of the Wan Gui, but with the benefit of the Unified Chi pool and a simpler enlightenment system.

                Maybe instead of a Demon/Po side they suffer from some form of Hubris, that's a natural intoxicating effect of their power and rights under heaven. A lot can be modeled after limit breaks and the great curse. But their biggest downfalll was Hubris and Greed.

                I feel also they would have some form of heaven invoking ritual magic, something they would have lost after they were cursed to Yomi wan.


                It is a time for great deeds!

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Eldagusto View Post
                  Wouldn't they have the pure elemental forms rather then the degenerate Blood Shintai they would have Water Shintai?
                  Well Godbodies of Fourth Age are what you say, they’re much “closer” to original Wan Xian powers than Shintais. But they ARE NOT Wan Xian powers, as I said above they may be much greater and more divine. Of course as a resolution I think you can make them much cheaper to Wan Xian

                  *Unfortunately, canon don’t have 6+ Godbodies version

                  Originally posted by Eldagusto View Post
                  I feel also they would have some form of heaven invoking ritual magic, something they would have lost after they were cursed to Yomi wan.
                  They may have some own Rites, but most could disappear during their fall and Turning of Age, just as Blood and Silk says, some Rites cease to function or changed during the Wheel of Ages, of course Wan Gui retain some original ones

                  And: about the downfall of Wan Xian, I recall the Turning of Age system in Blood and Silk. Dharma and Region determines when next Age will come into. the higher your dharma is, the slower you will go into, the more divine the region is, the slower it goes into. May be Wan Xian’s fall like this, more enlightened Wan Xian will fall slower, and those dwell in Meru may be the last to fall.

                  Blood and Silk is a good book if you consult ancient Middle Kingdom

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