So I've been looking into the Umbra lately and discovered either a massive disparity or something that was glanced over when it comes to the Shroud and Gauntlet. There seems to be a contradiction here or there's multiple things called the Shroud.
Basic cosmology review here:
Penumbra comes in three flavors, Astral, Wilds, and Death, each lead to the associated aspect of the Umbra.
Penumbra is separated from the material world by the Gauntlet.
There is supposed to be a thin Gauntlet between the Penumbra and each associated aspect of the Umbra.
The problem at hand:
In Wraith the Shroud is the barrier between the Skinlands and the Shadowlands, allowing Wraiths to look into the material world but not interact with it, per Wr20 pg 26.
In Mage and Werewolf, it's not possible to enter the Shadowlands without either dying or knowing the proper magic to do so, per W20 Umbra the Velvet Shadow pg 31 and 101, and Mage the Infinite Tapestry pg 27.
Also in Mage the Shroud is defined as the Gauntlet between the Penumbra and the Shadowlands per Tradition Book Euthanatos pg 68 and M20 pg 99.
But Werewolf says that ghosts can be found in the Penumbra of Death per Velvet Shadow pg 31.
So the real question is, which Gauntlet is the Shroud that Wraith refers to? If it's the traditional Gauntlet between the material world and Penumbra, that means that ghosts wander around the Penumbra and don't see a barrier between the Penumbra and Shadowlands. If not, does that mean the Shadowlands peers into the material world, bypassing the Penumbra to do so. I'm not sure which is the correct one.
Basic cosmology review here:
Penumbra comes in three flavors, Astral, Wilds, and Death, each lead to the associated aspect of the Umbra.
Penumbra is separated from the material world by the Gauntlet.
There is supposed to be a thin Gauntlet between the Penumbra and each associated aspect of the Umbra.
The problem at hand:
In Wraith the Shroud is the barrier between the Skinlands and the Shadowlands, allowing Wraiths to look into the material world but not interact with it, per Wr20 pg 26.
In Mage and Werewolf, it's not possible to enter the Shadowlands without either dying or knowing the proper magic to do so, per W20 Umbra the Velvet Shadow pg 31 and 101, and Mage the Infinite Tapestry pg 27.
Also in Mage the Shroud is defined as the Gauntlet between the Penumbra and the Shadowlands per Tradition Book Euthanatos pg 68 and M20 pg 99.
But Werewolf says that ghosts can be found in the Penumbra of Death per Velvet Shadow pg 31.
So the real question is, which Gauntlet is the Shroud that Wraith refers to? If it's the traditional Gauntlet between the material world and Penumbra, that means that ghosts wander around the Penumbra and don't see a barrier between the Penumbra and Shadowlands. If not, does that mean the Shadowlands peers into the material world, bypassing the Penumbra to do so. I'm not sure which is the correct one.
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