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  • MyWifeIsScary
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    What was wrong with Korra, other than not being as good as TLA ? (which is a rather high bar)



    Thing is, the WoD works by being ugly. You don't marvel at someone's success story, you relish in their failures. You can empower people, but they're empowered at the expense of others and should make a lot mistakes along the way. Injustice is what really drives drama. A flawless character can't exist. Vampire's all about the struggle. rather than making an empowered minority character that everyone supports, the strategy should be to expose the character to injustices. That's how you build sympathy for others. (Dark humour preferable. I wanna see a slightly more serious rendition of a certain K&P sketch )

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  • Frontline989
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    The one thing I want them to avoid is the mistake they made with the last TV show where the clans speak of themselves almost like corporations or gangs where everyone is in lock step. "We the Nosferatu believe..." or "The Brujah clan will not support this." Its a crutch and I much prefer where we have individuals pursuing their own agendas and the clans do not become the focus of the show.

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  • CTPhipps
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    Originally posted by Konradleijon View Post
    Yes just having minorities doesn't make a show “woke” see legend of Korra
    I think "woke" as a perjorative is a weird idea too since it was a term by the black community to mean members that have become aware of systemic racism and abuses. It's since been co-opted as a slur by the Alt-Right.

    Which is ironic because Korra is like 4 seasons of Korra becoming aware of systemic bias against Benders, peasants vs. the Monarchy, and the evils Ethno-Nationalism.

    (Season 2 is her fighting the Devil so that doesn't count)

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  • Spencer from The Hills
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    Originally posted by CTPhipps View Post
    I'm going to admit that I'm sad that this will probably be in a new city like Toronto, though I can hold out hope that it will be in a pre-existing one like LA or New York--I'm also sad if it is. The sheer power of the production and desire for freedom from the project means that almost certainly preexisting lore will be overwritten for whatever canon characters they choose to make. Crazy as it sounds I wish they would include something like Helena Panhard from New York City or signature characters.

    I'd watch it about full-on Chicago with all the 5th Edition updates.

    They can do a faithful adaptation of the Expanse, they can do World of Darkness the same way.
    I'd rather it stay out of LA. We already LA by Night and VTMB before that. A TV show could interfere with the plot of the former if it doesn't pretty much cancel it. Now New York sounds rather appealing based on what we've already seen of characters like Panhard and Sowinski*. And like other such cities, it's big, cosmopolitan and tolerant, under Panhard, enough to include whatever clans, wizards and so forth that the writers fancy. Maybe Chicago too for the same reasons, although that would take more work to write a starting chronicle. I don't know what Toronto is known for other footage for shows set in New York, but VTMB2 shows that a new city can be used to write a promising concept, even if the production goes through a series mysterious calamities.

    *I'd be interested to see how Julia would be handled by another writer and actor, because she's isn't an entirely sympathetic protagonist.

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  • Konradleijon
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    Yes just having minorities doesn't make a show “woke” see legend of Korra

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  • adambeyoncelowe
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    I quite like Discovery. Emperor Georgiou is my fave, obviously, but I like pretty much the whole cast. Michael Burnham isn't that much of a problem to me, she's just a bit, well, samey sometimes. But then that happens to many protagonists.

    I think sometimes we expect more from certain shows, or certain writers, or certain actors. But we need to let everyone have the chance to phone it in once in a while, and not hold double standards.

    There are some highly praised shows where I was screaming at the TV the whole time because the characters are as dumb or crappy in the final season as they were in the first season. It happens.

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  • Garygeneric
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    Originally posted by CTPhipps View Post
    Michael Burnham's problem isn't she's black or a woman. It's that she's badly written.
    Exactly. The show was lauded and hyped as being progressive for having a black woman as the main character (played by the amazing Sonequa Martin-Green, even!) and the character ended up being the worst on the show in many peoples opinion. They also had a diverse bridge crew...whom most people still didn’t know by name at the end of the first season. They really dropped the ball as far as representation goes, I felt. They improved in later seasons, though

    Not that it’s likely to happen with these show runners, but I was just validating CK’s concerns. Inclusivity can be handled badly, and deserves to be done right.

    Also, Vykos tossing his tackle on the table was for shock value only, and (most likely) wasn’t intended as a representation of non-binary gender inclusion.

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  • MyWifeIsScary
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    Obviously it's left leaning, sometimes questionably so (That time a villain threw their own severed dick in someone's face in the name of gender nonconformity) The issue is how it's done. Vampire fundamentally serves as social commentary. Even if you don't particularly appear to be trying so hard, it makes points. Vampire can be subtle, it can be purely alegorical, or it can literally throw dicks in faces. Like any work with so many writers, the quality can vary considerably.

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  • Konradleijon
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    I like how people thought the World of Darkness wasn't left-leaning politically like have you read the books?

    How the defiler Wyrm is patriarchy? A vampire with the whole theme of the elders ignoring an obvious Apocalypse while the fledglings suffer has no real life subtext.

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  • CTPhipps
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    I love all of the World of Darkness but I am hoping for a Anarch/Camarilla Vampire: The Masquerade series primarily. Everything else can spin off from that like the Vampire Diaries and its 50 sequels.

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  • Strangelove
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    It is cool that they mention they are working in a WoD universe (Darkverse?)

    And intringuing they mention films and series.

    Just speculation, but...how do you think this would turn out? Which do you think would be the best approach?
    • A collection of series like the Marvel Netflix one? I.e. having a session of VtM, then if successful launching a second parallel series of Werewolf, Hunter or Mage, second session of VtM, building up to include different series on the different supernaturals after colliding in a common season such as Defenders?
    • Focused on vampires or some other supernatural while progressively including the rest like True Blood did with werewolfs and fairies?
    • Paralel shows with some joint episodes per season as in Arrowverse?
    • Other?
    Regarding inclusivity and wokeness I think it is a great goal to have it, already heavily linked with WoD since the beginning. As with all things, it can be executed good or poorly. I guess that the main problem people have is not for the sake of inclusivity per se, but on how it is sometimes translated into Gary Stu/Marie Sue characters. But there are plenty of examples of how can be done right (Jessica Jones was mentioned here), and while inherently flawed characters are not mandatory, character and story arcs are welcome. In my case, including the ones dealing with inclusivity as well.

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  • CTPhipps
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    Originally posted by Magister View Post
    I've seen too many fiasco in those years to be optimistic. After all, "Netflix adaptation" is a meme now.
    I see even a mediocore adaptation something that will help the brand.

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  • Magister
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    I've seen too many fiasco in those years to be optimistic. After all, "Netflix adaptation" is a meme now.

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  • omenseer
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    Originally posted by CTPhipps View Post
    I'm going to admit that I'm sad that this will probably be in a new city like Toronto...
    Maybe we'll get a Nick Knight/Nicolas De Brabant Easter egg.

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  • Trippy
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    Originally posted by CTPhipps View Post
    I'm going to admit that I'm sad that this will probably be in a new city like Toronto, though I can hold out hope that it will be in a pre-existing one like LA or New York--I'm also sad if it is. The sheer power of the production and desire for freedom from the project means that almost certainly preexisting lore will be overwritten for whatever canon characters they choose to make. Crazy as it sounds I wish they would include something like Helena Panhard from New York City or signature characters.

    I'd watch it about full-on Chicago with all the 5th Edition updates.

    They can do a faithful adaptation of the Expanse, they can do World of Darkness the same way.
    I’d bet on it being set in LA for two main reasons:

    A) Hollywood is in LA, and that is where the writers, actors and studios are probably at.
    B) LA By Night, the webcast, may well have been suggested as a reason to why the show could work for a given audience.

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