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    Qanon is a radical cult Westboro is a hateful church that pickets soldiers funerals



  • #2
    QAnon, to my knowledge are conspiracy theorists and WoD's rife with genuine conspiracies. It would be convenient for the secret masters of the world if the typical factions who claimed that such cabals existed were blatantly incorrect, bigotted and either mouthpieces or useful idiots to a human/sleeper establishment that doesn't want democratically accountable institutions interfering with their affairs. The idea is explored in Shadows of New York and Night Road, even if the latter doesn't name them specifically, although I would expect WoD's books to do so as well. For that matter, it would probably suit the Camarilla or Technocracy if anybody who publically declared their existence could be dismissed a delusional commie, hypothetically speaking.

    I have no idea what relevance the Westboro Baptist Church could have to the unique entities of WoD.
    Last edited by Spencer from The Hills; 09-12-2022, 11:39 AM.

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    • #3
      QAnon is probably close to Incognito. Westboro is human-grown hate; there'll be banes swirling around them in much larger quantities than the background, but they aren't going to be following the lead of a supernatural entity. They only think that they do.

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      • #4
        Both of these feel like they're best handled with a light touch: reminders that humans are problems without supernaturals being behind what they do, or even being involved at all. It's good to remind ourselves that the World of Darkness can look just like our world because people like this already exist in our supposedly not so dark world.

        To most of the supernatural the existence of these sorts of hate groups are just something humans do. They're dangerous, they're more dangerous if supernaturals decide to help them (or use them anyway), but only the most hubris filled fools would think these types wouldn't turn on some secret monstrous benefactor.

        The fact that these groups exist, despite lots of entities in the WoD being perfectly capable of wiping them out without all the problems humans have to deal with in that regard, is dark enough on its own.
        Last edited by Heavy Arms; 09-13-2022, 05:51 AM.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Heavy Arms View Post
          Both of these feel like they're best handled with a light touch: reminders that humans are problems with supernaturals being behind what they do, or even being involved at all. It's good to remind ourselves that the World of Darkness can look just like our world because people like this already exist in our supposedly not so dark world.

          To most of the supernatural the existence of these sorts of hate groups are just something humans do. They're dangerous, they're more dangerous if supernaturals decide to help them (or use them anyway), but only the most hubris filled fools would think these types wouldn't turn on some secret monstrous benefactor.

          The fact that these groups exist, despite lots of entities in the WoD being perfectly capable of wiping them out without all the problems humans have to deal with in that regard, is dark enough on its own.
          This. If they have to be in at all, have them ironically devoured by some eldritch evil that can't be bothered dealing with bigots. Even the Malfeans haven't got time for the WBC.


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          • #6
            ROFL One thing is how Qanon could stay together in spite off so many failed prophecies.

            in a world with real prophecies
            Last edited by Prince of the Night; 09-13-2022, 11:40 AM.


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            • #7
              If I'm recalling things correctly, QAnon is a conspiracy theory that most of the world's elites are child molesters and that this molestation might be related to some kind of mystical/satanic cult. In the WoD, this probably has a lot of basis in truth. If I were going to bring up this in a WoD game, I'd make it true (at least for a lot of powerful people) and maybe tie it to some kind of evil WoD faction like the Baali, Nephandi, or Wyrm.

              As for Westboro, I would just have them be a wacky fringe group, kinda like in real life.

              How you portray either group in game, or decide to at all, is going to depend on the tastes of your players too.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Sergeant Brother View Post
                If I'm recalling things correctly, QAnon is a conspiracy theory that most of the world's elites are child molesters and that this molestation might be related to some kind of mystical/satanic cult. In the WoD, this probably has a lot of basis in truth. If I were going to bring up this in a WoD game, I'd make it true (at least for a lot of powerful people) and maybe tie it to some kind of evil WoD faction like the Baali, Nephandi, or Wyrm.

                As for Westboro, I would just have them be a wacky fringe group, kinda like in real life.

                How you portray either group in game, or decide to at all, is going to depend on the tastes of your players too.
                That was a bad move when BotW 2e tried doing it with the leftovers of the Satanic Panic, and it would be even worse to do it again.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Saur Ops Specialist View Post

                  That was a bad move when BotW 2e tried doing it with the leftovers of the Satanic Panic, and it would be even worse to do it again.
                  I don’t necessarily think that they should include QAnon in any official WoD book, but if I were going to include it at all, I’d make it largely* true since it’s exactly the kind of conspiracies that have been a major part of the WoD since it’s inception.

                  What I would include in my game isn’t necessarily what others should include or what should be published. We were asked how to include it and I gave my answer.

                  * Largely depending on what specific QAnon claims we’re discussing. If it’s cults of demon worshipping child molesters in positions of power, then it fits in perfectly.

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                  • #10
                    I don't know if it would be a good idea to include any QAnon stuff in a game one way or another. A lot of people have committed very atrocious things because of their insane belief. Saying 'they were right because there actually is a demon cult' is feel is just as bad 'they are doing it because they are being corrupted' or whatever.

                    I think just saying "this is a real thing that is happening because humans sometimes just be like this" would be the only way to properly handle it.

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                    • #11
                      If these groups have no supernatural tie in at all, is there a point in including them? Personally, I think I wouldn’t include them. Sometimes people just want some fiction and putting real politically significant groups into a game has the potential to create unhappiness and strife.

                      But, if they were going to be included, seems like there should be at least some link to the group and what the player characters might be doing.

                      Back in 1990’s conspiracy theories seemed more apolitical, almost innocent in a sense. Now they carry more political baggage and even some of the core conspiracies that define the WoD are objectionable to some. How does one deal with that? It entirely depends on the group.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Sergeant Brother View Post
                        If these groups have no supernatural tie in at all, is there a point in including them?
                        Depends on the story being told. I can't think on something that would feature them as an aspect of the story but, I don't think that I wouldn't have them as part of a setting especially if the game was taking place in DC. In that same vein I don't think I'd make the Covid-19 supernatural but the effects would still be felt.

                        Originally posted by Sergeant Brother View Post
                        Personally, I think I wouldn’t include them. Sometimes people just want some fiction and putting real politically significant groups into a game has the potential to create unhappiness and strife.
                        I don't think there is anything necessarily wrong with that but, if you choose to do so (especially taking real groups that have done terrible things) then treating it well is important. I think giving justification for these groups that is out of their control would be a cheap hook that wouldn't be justifiable.

                        Originally posted by Sergeant Brother View Post
                        But, if they were going to be included, seems like there should be at least some link to the group and what the player characters might be doing.
                        Again I don't think that would be necessary to do just to include a real event that is on going. Humans being terrible is pretty ok to include without saying that it's because of 'demons' or 'wyrm' or whatever.

                        Originally posted by Sergeant Brother View Post
                        Back in 1990’s conspiracy theories seemed more apolitical, almost innocent in a sense. Now they carry more political baggage and even some of the core conspiracies that define the WoD are objectionable to some. How does one deal with that? It entirely depends on the group.
                        I really wouldn't describe the conspiracies as apolitical but, that's not what I'm talking about here.

                        CW: Filicide
                        People that believe in QAnon have kidnapped and killed their own children because they believed them to be fake replacements by the deep state. Make a story about how they have a justification for this action because things they believe in are 'real' would be a disservice to the families effected.

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                        • #13
                          I’m not familiar with that particular murder story, though it’s not representative of the claims of QAnon.

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                          • #14
                            It is a result and I'm of the opinion that results matter more.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by MrNatas View Post
                              It is a result and I'm of the opinion that results matter more.
                              It's one guy. If that is our standard, then Vampire: the Masquerade makes teenagers kill their parents because there was that one incident back in the 1990's.

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