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  • How much would be the Vampire's Faith points? According to the book Demon: The Fallen?

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    • Originally posted by Mkjmn View Post
      How much would be the Vampire's Faith points? According to the book Demon: The Fallen?
      if I remember right you can't harvest faith from a vampire.

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      • Originally posted by Dezeroth View Post

        if I remember right you can't harvest faith from a vampire.
        I am guessing he means Faith Potential as a Thrall.

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        • So, how do you think Kuei-Jin and Demons interact? Do KJs get Golden Chi from demons? What happens if a Wan Kuei becomes a Thrall? Can the Fallen go to Yomi and twist it into their own domain?


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          • Originally posted by Dreaminggod View Post
            So, how do you think Kuei-Jin and Demons interact?
            That depends on how much credence you're going to give either side. From the perspective of KotE, anything declaring itself to be a demon and running about trying to absorb I Can't Believe It's Not Yugen from mortals is probably going to disturb the local Hungry Dead and get the Black Iron Talons on the tail of the Fallen, because demon hunting is their business, and business is good.

            Do KJs get Golden Chi from demons?
            Probably not.

            What happens if a Wan Kuei becomes a Thrall?
            Is that even possible? They're spiritually closer to the state of being ghosts than any non-ghost.

            Can the Fallen go to Yomi and twist it into their own domain?
            That's a very complicated question, because while KotE contains a living Umbra, Demon only has the Underworld, where all of the dead are. Other domains were never described as traversible by the Fallen, so it's possible that a demon wouldn't be able to go there at all, or else only ends up in Yin-aspected hells. Even if they do get back to the brighter and more vibrant ones, though, they would have to contend with the ruler of the realm of any given hell, which means that they'll probably lose and end up kicked out if they're lucky. Yama Kings and Queens can easily get into Incarna territory, which means that their character sheet is "Caine loses".

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            • Originally posted by Rudy23 View Post
              Question about Visages. Can a Demon change their Visages completely?
              THe demon players guide says demon can a lot about themselves, On chapter three, but their Visage seems unchangeable

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              • Can a vampire become a thrall? And start growing with more faith to his demon master?

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                • The Damned have nothing (metaphysical) to offer the Fallen and their bodies have already felt the Almighty's wrath. No, vampires cannot become thralls. 0 Faith potential is permanent and sucky.


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                  • Originally posted by FallenEco View Post
                    The Damned have nothing (metaphysical) to offer the Fallen and their bodies have already felt the Almighty's wrath. No, vampires cannot become thralls. 0 Faith potential is permanent and sucky.
                    Now if you wanted to house rule it, you could give a faith potential of true faith halved and rounded down if you use true faith in your games

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                    • ...True Faith is not normally available to Cainites...unless i missed something


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                      • Originally posted by FallenEco View Post
                        ...True Faith is not normally available to Cainites...unless i missed something
                        It's not normally available but some Kindred still have it, just 'case.

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                        • Originally posted by Dreaminggod View Post
                          Can the Fallen go to Yomi and twist it into their own domain?
                          Owning and holding on to real estate in Yomi grants the status of a Yama King or Queen; though I imagine one would only be able to hold on to it if one possesses some means of extracting power out of souls. Mikaboshi used to be a Dalou'laoshi Mage. I'd say a powerful and canny Fallen could in theory take over a hell.

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                          • Originally posted by Muad'Dib View Post
                            Owning and holding on to real estate in Yomi grants the status of a Yama King or Queen; though I imagine one would only be able to hold on to it if one possesses some means of extracting power out of souls. Mikaboshi used to be a Dalou'laoshi Mage. I'd say a powerful and canny Fallen could in theory take over a hell.
                            Mikaboshi also set it up over a long period by redirecting massive corrupted flows of energy into himself. Fallen just waltzing into a place they might not even know exists (assuming that they can even manage to get there, because, again, Demon ignores half of what makes Yomi Yomi) are unlikely to have the same or comparable advantages.

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                            • Fuckin' white devils, appropriating the hells of another culture. Typical.

                              In all seriousness, I think the Fallen mesh pretty poorly with the Yama Kings. They are both 'demons,' sure, but Milton and Buddha were not exactly on the same philosophical wavelength.
                              Last edited by The Laughing Stranger; 02-10-2017, 01:06 PM.

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                              • Originally posted by Saur Ops Specialist View Post

                                Mikaboshi also set it up over a long period by redirecting massive corrupted flows of energy into himself. Fallen just waltzing into a place they might not even know exists (assuming that they can even manage to get there, because, again, Demon ignores half of what makes Yomi Yomi) are unlikely to have the same or comparable advantages.
                                The potential of Earthbounds shown in the form of Lore Mastery (can cumulatively increase most aspects of an Evocation x10 per extra Faith point spent) suggests to me that Fallens would also be capable of gathering powers within Yomi into themselves. It might result in them becoming an Earthbound (or beyond) though.
                                They can also make some new rituals or magic items, and the Pacting / Thralling ability of Fallens might also help in setting one as a Yama Queen or King.
                                So some potential is there I think, though most likely less compared to a hellbent high Arete Mage. Definitely not just by waltzing in...though with the power of some Earthbounds, and the volatility of the spirit world(s) at times.. one should never say never.
                                Last edited by Muad'Dib; 02-10-2017, 05:59 PM.

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