Demon The Fallen Thread. For is better to Rule in Earth than Serve in Heaven

[Saur Ops Specialist]

...True Faith is not normally available to Cainites...unless i missed something

It's not normally available but some Kindred still have it, just 'case.

[FallenEco]

...True Faith is not normally available to Cainites...unless i missed something

[Dezeroth]

The Damned have nothing (metaphysical) to offer the Fallen and their bodies have already felt the Almighty's wrath. No, vampires cannot become thralls. 0 Faith potential is permanent and sucky.

Now if you wanted to house rule it, you could give a faith potential of true faith halved and rounded down if you use true faith in your games

[FallenEco]

The Damned have nothing (metaphysical) to offer the Fallen and their bodies have already felt the Almighty's wrath. No, vampires cannot become thralls. 0 Faith potential is permanent and sucky.

[Mkjmn]

Can a vampire become a thrall? And start growing with more faith to his demon master?

[Nicolas Milioni]

Question about Visages. Can a Demon change their Visages completely?

THe demon players guide says demon can a lot about themselves, On chapter three, but their Visage seems unchangeable

[Saur Ops Specialist]

So, how do you think Kuei-Jin and Demons interact?

That depends on how much credence you're going to give either side. From the perspective of KotE, anything declaring itself to be a demon and running about trying to absorb I Can't Believe It's Not Yugen from mortals is probably going to disturb the local Hungry Dead and get the Black Iron Talons on the tail of the Fallen, because demon hunting is their business, and business is good.

Do KJs get Golden Chi from demons?

Probably not.

What happens if a Wan Kuei becomes a Thrall?

Is that even possible? They're spiritually closer to the state of being ghosts than any non-ghost.

Can the Fallen go to Yomi and twist it into their own domain?

That's a very complicated question, because while KotE contains a living Umbra, Demon only has the Underworld, where all of the dead are. Other domains were never described as traversible by the Fallen, so it's possible that a demon wouldn't be able to go there at all, or else only ends up in Yin-aspected hells. Even if they do get back to the brighter and more vibrant ones, though, they would have to contend with the ruler of the realm of any given hell, which means that they'll probably lose and end up kicked out if they're lucky. Yama Kings and Queens can easily get into Incarna territory, which means that their character sheet is "Caine loses".

[Dreaminggod]

So, how do you think Kuei-Jin and Demons interact? Do KJs get Golden Chi from demons? What happens if a Wan Kuei becomes a Thrall? Can the Fallen go to Yomi and twist it into their own domain?

[Rudy23]

if I remember right you can't harvest faith from a vampire.

I am guessing he means Faith Potential as a Thrall.

[Dezeroth]

How much would be the Vampire's Faith points? According to the book Demon: The Fallen?

if I remember right you can't harvest faith from a vampire.

[Mkjmn]

How much would be the Vampire's Faith points? According to the book Demon: The Fallen?

[Dezeroth]

Then, if a Demon is enchanted would they remember it afterwards, and if enchanted, and taken to a place in the dreaming, would they be able to use their lores to get back there.

I'd say yes on both, if the demon has 1 temp faith you can't use mystical mind control of any form and lore of paths and portals can take a demon anywhere they have already been

[Flinty]

Given that some of the lores were only developed during the war this has to be possible. E.g. the lore of Radiance, since the Lore of Radiance was only compiled during the war, all later Qingu must have started out as Bel or Nusku. That said there are no mechanics on this. A demon would probably have to learn the lore he wants to adopt up to the same level as his normal lore and then somehow adapt this new lore into the core of his very being. Perhaps changing Apocaliptic Form powers out one by one for new ones that fit the new visage better.

[Rudy23]

Question about Visages. Can a Demon change their Visages completely?

[Hexer]

Sadface.

Maybe you just weren't playing an awesome fallen angel steeped in the void of hell...? lol

haha no, I wasn't, but I was playing some other cool things. Problem is that my interests fluctuate between different things. That's not much of a problem for P&P games where I just go and meet the other folks in person and then play and get into things but it is a problem for me in online games (especially through forums which is even less "direct" than via chat or whatever) when my interest goes to something different (like "meh.... not really feeling the fantasy stuff at all these days.... gotta play something scifi instead!", you know...) and I just kinda stop being motivated enough to invest the time needed to write something nice. Especially since I usually need some inspiration to do that (and my inspiration also changes focus then).