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    I always belived that a camera can actually record cantrips or the dreaming (avoiding the mists) but i wanted to know if this is a "thing" or if its possible


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  • #2
    I think if type is Chemerical, nope, but if Wyrd (or theChangeling is calling upon the Wyrd), then yes. However, the Mist will make sure the recording is either forgotten, deleted, corrupted etc

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Crowley View Post
      I always belived that a camera can actually record cantrips or the dreaming (avoiding the mists) but i wanted to know if this is a "thing" or if its possible
      It is not so easy to circumvent the Mists. I agree with Kendaan that said recordings would go missing or be corrupted or erased.


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      • #4
        The Nockers are capable of creating photographs that can circumvent the Mists.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Aya Tari View Post
          The Nockers are capable of creating photographs that can circumvent the Mists.
          I'm not disagreeing, but I'm curious to read about it. Do you have a book/page reference?


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          • #6
            Nockers, p. 35, under Courtly Furking Love. The Nocker narrator talks about Kithain pornography filmed in the Dreaming using Nocker movie cameras (usually involving satyrs and pooka).

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Aya Tari View Post
              Nockers, p. 35, under Courtly Furking Love. The Nocker narrator talks about Kithain pornography filmed in the Dreaming using Nocker movie cameras (usually involving satyrs and pooka).
              Thanks.
              So the sentence or 2 you are referencing doesn't say that they can circumvent the Mists. Only that they can film in the Dreaming.

              So while this only says they can film it, there is no elaboration on how it works. I would be perfectly fine with a camera working (especially a Nocker one) in the Dreaming or within a Freehold, but I would have exposure to the outside world (or banal eyes) have the Mists roll in. Now this may or may not screw up the film itself, but it would certainly have whoever viewed it have their memory screwed with (per normal Mists rules).

              Just my take on it. Again, I don't think the Mists are so easily circumvented (given that every Supernatural seems to think Changelings are extinct or damn neat it).




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              • #8
                Well, Nockers craft Chimera, they are not using Mundane technology to film in the dreaming, so they'd have to enchant the mortals or call upon the wyrd, and after the scene, the Mist will do it's work.

                But on a side note, Nockers can pretty much duplicate most of the modern technology with the added bonus of usually a nice steam punk look ^_^

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                • #9
                  Yeah, I doubt nocker porn circumvents the Mists. Most likely the cameras and videos (or DVDs now) are chimerical items and can't be seen or touched by normal humans; or else they're Treasures and look like human items, but won't reveal their magic to unEnchanted eyes.

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                  • #10
                    Why? What is so unusual about people dressing in furry outfits and engaging in porn? I doubt that the Mists would care about videos of the Dreaming because it does not care about stories of the Dreaming.

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                    • #11
                      Stories might be affected too. But think about it: a regular camera would just record humans fucking. A regular camera isn't fae and can't see the Dreaming. But a chimerical item or Treasure is usually unusable by humans by default. They appear as mundane items or else are simply invisible. Their 'presence' is primarily one that exists on another layer of reality. They're of the chimerical world. So if it's either of those objects, it would be no different to a chimerical sword or whatever (i.e., unusable by humans).

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                      • #12
                        No one except a nocker -- or possibly a Dougal -- can get a camera working in the Dreaming. The Shadow Court book says that the Samhain Mists erases electronic recordings or anything written down by dawn. This is on page 107, paragraph 1, sentence 5. So at other times, it might take the Mists two days to erase things. My question is, what happens if a Technocrat uses a trash cam or some other Device to record Kithain activity. Or if a Traditionalist attempts the same thing with magickal recording devices. Would either work?

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                        • #13
                          Nope, the Mists are not forgiving to True Magick and mundane technology. Heck, Technocrats have Banality 8-10, so they will forget everything, including that they were trying to find something.

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