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Are there "Kill On Sight" enemies in Changeling (i.e., like BSDs or Nephandi?)

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  • #16
    Now, that I think of it, Changelings surely have "Evade at all costs and run upon sighting" policy, simply on basis of power level disparity and great number of non-combatants among the population.


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    • #17
      Some Unseelie nobles, probaly keep Thailain as pet monsters.
      Some Dauntain, I think would bring tears to a changelings eyes... though at the end of the immortal eyes trilogy, They send the pair of dauntain (well o ne Dauntain, and her human servant) to hong kong.

      Id have rather seen them brought in chains before a local noble to stand trial

      would be interesting, or think a noble would even see them as deserving a trial?
      Last edited by Prince of the Night; 09-19-2017, 08:55 AM.


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      • #18
        Sidhe, especially Seelie Arcadian ones. Maybe that's just my inner Shadow Courtier speaking, though.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by FjordyMcFjord View Post
          Sidhe, especially Seelie Arcadian ones. Maybe that's just my inner Shadow Courtier speaking, though.

          That is how most of the PCs side in Changeling games I've run/played.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by FjordyMcFjord View Post
            Sidhe, especially Seelie Arcadian ones. Maybe that's just my inner Shadow Courtier speaking, though.

            Definitely, as Sanctimonious as the Gwydion and their strutting lackeys can be...


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            • #21
              Dauntain would definitely be KoS, even if it's kicking the can down the road. Autumn People wear away at dreams, the Formornians want to replace the Tuathan dream with theirs. The Dauntain just want to see all dreams corrupted and poisoned. Plus, you know, their speciality is destroying sources of Glamour, so.


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              • #22
                Originally posted by Maggie C View Post
                Dauntain would definitely be KoS, even if it's kicking the can down the road. Autumn People wear away at dreams, the Formornians want to replace the Tuathan dream with theirs. The Dauntain just want to see all dreams corrupted and poisoned. Plus, you know, their speciality is destroying sources of Glamour, so.
                They're still changelings though.

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                • #23
                  Speaking of Thallain, they were noted in the C20 corebook as being the true powers-that-be in the Shadow Court. This 'Black Court' hides behind the face of 'Thallain mindlessness and casual violence' to be cunning manipulators and strategists...

                  ...so, though few changelings know it, Thallain are now the 'equivalent' of the BSDs.

                  Does thus mean they serve the Wyrm? No. Black Spirals are noted as seeing all fae as being of the Wyld. However, Thallain are now BSD equivalents in that they're evil as sin, worship mad Lovecraftian gods and are seriously organized!
                  Last edited by Demigod Beast; 09-19-2017, 12:24 PM.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by zenten View Post

                    They're still changelings though.
                    Not all the way. Their souls are damaged. They're incomplete, in pain, and lashing out at the thing that hurts them: the Dreaming.


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                    • #25
                      Werewolf is a game of threes — Wyrm, Weaver, and Wyld; human, wolf, and metis; etc. Changeling is a game of dualities — glamour vs banality, Tuathan vs Fomorian, seelie vs unseelie, etc. Trying to force one game's cosmology on the other will result in imperfect fits at best.


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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Maggie C View Post

                        Not all the way. Their souls are damaged. They're incomplete, in pain, and lashing out at the thing that hurts them: the Dreaming.
                        Which is one perspective. Certainly not the one all Changelings hold.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by zenten View Post

                          Which is one perspective. Certainly not the one all Changelings hold.
                          It's not perspective. It's what they are. They're souls that should have permanently died but didn't. Changelings who come back wrong.


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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Maggie C View Post

                            It's not perspective. It's what they are. They're souls that should have permanently died but didn't. Changelings who come back wrong.
                            OK, let me put this another way.

                            Do all changelings agree that the Escheat does not apply to Dauntain?

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by zenten View Post

                              OK, let me put this another way.

                              Do all changelings agree that the Escheat does not apply to Dauntain?
                              The Dreaming specifically rejects the Dauntain.

                              The Escheat does not apply.


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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Demigod Beast View Post
                                Speaking of Thallain, they were noted in the C20 corebook as being the true powers-that-be in the Shadow Court. This 'Black Court' hides behind the face of 'Thallain mindlessness and casual violence' to be cunning manipulators and strategists...

                                ...so, though few changelings know it, Thallain are now the 'equivalent' of the BSDs.

                                Does thus mean they serve the Wyrm? No. Black Spirals are noted as seeing all fae as being of the Wyld. However, Thallain are now BSD equivalents in that they're evil as sin, worship mad Lovecraftian gods and are seriously organized!

                                The wyrm is a middle umbral representation of Entropy. The idea that it is the big end all be all of Evil is a werewolfism. The Yama Kings Do not Serve the wyrm. The Neverborn do not Serve the Wyrm. High Umbral Demons do not Serve the Wyrm. the Formorians Do not serve the wyrm. Werewolves definately think "anything with Entropic Resonence is of the wyrm" this does not make it so there is no Legion of Doom.

                                What is best for humanity might not be best for Gaia, might not be best for the Dreaming is why getting along is hard.

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