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  • #16
    Thing is Boggans and Knockers were made to fill in multiple types of creatures, everything from Brownies,Dwarger, Svartalfar, Domovoi and Cobolds. But after the core kiths were made they took a 180 and instead of kiths being broad archetypes the new kiths were specific examples. So now what we would make Boggans more Brownies specifically and Dwarves something else?

    You could also use the old Boggan Birthright and make it that Dwarves have a lowered difficulty for crafting. I would make the Cyclops Thaillain if not outright Fomorians though.

    Why not start making Fomorians, they are foes and gotta fight them some time.


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    • #17
      Originally posted by Eldagusto View Post
      Thing is Boggans and Knockers were made to fill in multiple types of creatures, everything from Brownies,Dwarger, Svartalfar, Domovoi and Cobolds. But after the core kiths were made they took a 180 and instead of kiths being broad archetypes the new kiths were specific examples. So now what we would make Boggans more Brownies specifically and Dwarves something else?

      You could also use the old Boggan Birthright and make it that Dwarves have a lowered difficulty for crafting. I would make the Cyclops Thaillain if not outright Fomorians though.

      Why not start making Fomorians, they are foes and gotta fight them some time.

      I feel Boggans decently cover house fairies, but feel Nocker Frailty very much pushes it towards the mad genius, which is neat but means sort of related crafter types end up some place else. Similarly I think there's a solid "Angry violent big guy" archtype that Trolls don't quite cover with their whole super honorable thing, thus why when people say "just use trolls for oni" I don't think it works... conversely if Oni had been the generic kith I'd argue they better cover a wide variety of Big angry type giants including Rock giants from the Nunnehi.

      Thus why I a troll crafter with one Eye wouldn't hit my "I want to play a cyclops" vibe. Thus why Nockers don't hit my "I want to play a dwarf"(who are mentioned in the troll book btw..).

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Lian View Post


        I feel Boggans decently cover house fairies, but feel Nocker Frailty very much pushes it towards the mad genius, which is neat but means sort of related crafter types end up some place else. Similarly I think there's a solid "Angry violent big guy" archtype that Trolls don't quite cover with their whole super honorable thing, thus why when people say "just use trolls for oni" I don't think it works... conversely if Oni had been the generic kith I'd argue they better cover a wide variety of Big angry type giants including Rock giants from the Nunnehi.

        Thus why I a troll crafter with one Eye wouldn't hit my "I want to play a cyclops" vibe. Thus why Nockers don't hit my "I want to play a dwarf"(who are mentioned in the troll book btw..).
        Uhh but they made a type of Honor Troll just for the game, so why would Oni be better, they could have just made Trolls like mythic Trolls.

        And if I were to make Oni Trolls they would be a SubKith, so they wouldn't use the same exact rules, they would have other ones. But Buddhist Oni could actually fit the Honor thing since they often made promises that tied their wellness and strength too.


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        • #19
          Originally posted by Eldagusto View Post
          Uhh but they made a type of Honor Troll just for the game, so why would Oni be better, they could have just made Trolls like mythic Trolls.
          They could have. I'm saying if they had a generic Oni kith of strong angry guy, I'd be more than willing to say "use that for Trolls/giants/etc"

          And if I were to make Oni Trolls they would be a SubKith, so they wouldn't use the same exact rules, they would have other ones. But Buddhist Oni could actually fit the Honor thing since they often made promises that tied their wellness and strength too.
          I don't think the honor thing empowering them actually works for oni at all? It is because Oaths are so hard and painful that make them so important.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Eldagusto View Post

            I'm a fan of possibly using Ifrit, Marid, and Djinn as Kiths, with Ghul and Iblisi/Shaitani as Thallain Genies but I feel that Genies would be their own group of Gallain like the Hsien.
            I agree. It seems from my readings in modern Arab folklore, limited as those are, that the jinni are divided into tribes designated by color. I'd treat this somewhat like the noble houses.

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            • #21
              That’s an intestine idea. I was originally thinking of Iblis as a Thallain house and all the others as Kiths but this is interesting.


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              • #22
                Originally posted by Eldagusto View Post
                That’s an intestine idea. I was originally thinking of Iblis as a Thallain house and all the others as Kiths but this is interesting.
                If it helps, some jinn are held to be pagans. Others are Muslim, some are said to be Christian or Jewish. None are necessarily bad or good. Most are dangerous.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Astromancer View Post
                  Like the title says, has anyone taken the option of making their own kith? If so tell us about it.

                  Later on, when I've checked my notes, I'll describe the one off Changeling, who was a kith of one, I created.
                  That's why I prefer DA Fae to CtD. Faeries are so varied that a free-form creation system is so much better

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                  • #24
                    I posted a homebrew Kith some time ago, in a thread to that effect: http://forum.theonyxpath.com/forum/m...homebrew-kiths


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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Coridan View Post

                      That's why I prefer DA Fae to CtD. Faeries are so varied that a free-form creation system is so much better

                      I've found a full freeform system has its issues as well.

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                      • #26
                        So the Electric Shadow Kith I am making for the Yokai project are a cluster of kiths. Basically they are Changelings that were Unnamed and eventually were reborn merging with Chimera of the Cinema. Making Subkiths like Cowboy, Samurai, Beauty, Buffoon, Martial Artist, Swashbuckler, ect. They number in the handful, some maybe even the only member of the subkith. Till the Evanescence and their numbers bolster by a few dozen.

                        Then there was also the older Idea I had of Witches as a Kith with birthrights of maybe using sympathetic links to use arts on subjects, and or a Familiar. Their Thallain could be a Warlock representing one who sold themselves to dark powers for might.

                        Also more on the Gargoyle Project.

                        Originally posted by Eldagusto View Post
                        So one of the ideas I had, and I remember a few others brought up, was creating a Kith similar to the Gargoyles from the old disney cartoon. So the idea would be Fae, lets say some Inanimae so the Dreams/Myths of the very Elements chose to take refuge in the Flesh. So they are like a mix of the Inanimae , in their primal inhuman dreams, and the Merfolk, who took refuge in the flesh but breed within their own communities living away from humanity.

                        So the Gargoyles are born from Eggs that come from Gargoyle pairs, or human/Gargoyle pairings. They are raised in private groups, and to help shield from Banality they turn to stone the moment the Sun Rises and return to flesh by night.

                        They would say perhaps have Houses for different types of statues, or possibly different Kiths.

                        House Fóshī: For Fu Lions and Fu Dogs, and Sacred Guardian Beasts like Dragons and Directional Beasts. Homeland originated in East Asia.

                        House Shedu: For Guardians of Necropoli , and plumbers of Underworld lore. They Originated in Egypt, but also include the Sumerian Bearded Lion/Bull iconography.

                        House Babewyn: The standard Gargoyles, Grotesques and Chimera statues popularly found in Cathedrals, originated in France and spread the quickest and farthest of all the Houses. Guardians of the cities and highest points.

                        House Śakra: Those gargoyles invoking demonic guardians like Asura, and Animal headed and horned guardians of hell, originating in Buddhist Territories ranging from Indian, Tibet, and Japan.

                        House Binesi: Gargoyles invoking the Totempole Iconography, these Gargoyles actually turn into Wood during the day and take the form of Clan Totem animals and even the Thunderbird. They are a house of Teachers.

                        House Kisin: Statues of Death and Skeletons originating in the Americas, the represent Gods such as Mictlantecuhtli and skeletal motiffs . They embrace cannibalism, death and rebirth.

                        Maybe though they call their Houses Clans, invoking the Doodem of the Ojibwe.


                        So maybe include Birthrights for Flying, and a physical Boost. Maybe for nonhumanoid shapes they can switch between humanoid and beast form.

                        What are some thoughts and ideas for these Gallain ? I'm thinking they heal all bashing Damage and one Lethal while in stone slumber. Maybe they also convert one agg to Lethal too.

                        They would also have Fae beasts, similar to how Gargoyles had Bronx and Boudicca?

                        I think this would be most fun in the Changeling setting rather then their own thing, but they would likely touch upon Wraith and the Fera as well.
                        http://forum.theonyxpath.com/forum/m...kithain-groupsAnd the link to the Yokai one.


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                        • #27
                          Electric shadows- Have you considered making them Inanimae instead? the Flicker Empire hasn't gotten much development and it sounds like it would be hitting on similar ideas.


                          Witch-quick thoughts.

                          Affinity: Prop.("EAT THIS POISON APPLE!")

                          BR:

                          "I curse you by the hairs on your head"-Witches may cast arts as if touching the the target if they have hair, skin, blood that is no older than two weeks from the body.

                          Unearthly beauty-we know how this works!

                          or

                          Something else-For the option of making a witch who is not the fairest in the land...


                          FR:

                          Pride: Witches are prideful creatures. Either in a pariticular aspect of their physical form("who's the fairest in the land..") or a particular skill they have, or just assume they are going to be invited to the christening of children. Suffice to say they are easily slighted. a Witch who is slighted who does not curse their victim recieves a Nightmare Dice.


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                          • #28

                            Hmm no I never considered Inanimae. So you mean like the Empire of Flickers for Inanimae of Light and Radiowaves?
                            Hmm.

                            Yeah I was thinking Prop too. I was thinking on the Flaw, anything from cannot harm the innocent, or other witchy flaws. Yeah that was along the lines of the Sympathetic Magic Birthright I was thinking of. So you think its too powerful without limiting the freshness of the blood sample?

                            Another Birthright might be their Fae Soul is placed into their Familiar, and they are like a living version of the Selkie Coat. Or maybe instead of the Sympathetic magic they can cast arts through their Familiar as well as through themselves. And maybe their Familiar has stealth and nigh immortality, or maybe they are built like Chimerae but bound to a mortal animal.


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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Eldagusto View Post
                              Hmm no I never considered Inanimae. So you mean like the Empire of Flickers for Inanimae of Light and Radiowaves?
                              Hmm.
                              They are briefly mentioned afew times in the books and Nockers apparently have some idea they exist.


                              Yeah I was thinking Prop too. I was thinking on the Flaw, anything from cannot harm the innocent, or other witchy flaws.
                              I'm thinking solidly on the theme of fairy tale witches vs "ANY WITCH EVER" since that's mage. Fairy tale witches are VERY good at harming the innocent especially when they are angered.

                              Snow White and Sleeping beauty would be my primaries. Perhaps Circe.

                              I am not sure if a separate "Hag" should be a thing or just their grump version.

                              Yeah that was along the lines of the Sympathetic Magic Birthright I was thinking of. So you think its too powerful without limiting the freshness of the blood sample?
                              two weeks might be too short, maybe a year and a day.. I'm spitballing. I don't like the idea of "THIS LASTS FOREVER" in changeling..






                              Another Birthright might be their Fae Soul is placed into their Familiar, and they are like a living version of the Selkie Coat. Or maybe instead of the Sympathetic magic they can cast arts through their Familiar as well as through themselves. And maybe their Familiar has stealth and nigh immortality, or maybe they are built like Chimerae but bound to a mortal animal.
                              I can't think of a fairy tale witch that has a familiar. Superior beauty? Inhuman strength?

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                              • #30
                                Well I was thinking they were the Mage inspired kith specifically and broadly applicable. Like I have the Beasties be inspired by the Fera, and a new kith the Strigoi inspired by Vampires. The idea I got was from Baba Yaga Tales were Baba Yaga only seemed to harm people that offended her, so she couldn't get at Vassila the Pure. So its going off the Folkore Witches that used Familiars, that way they could also be used very far and wide, even among the Nunnehi and the Wandering Dream's Kith. Originally before Warlocks I was thinking of Hags as my Thallain, but I changed it partly because we already have the River Hags and Bodhach. But I feel already Unseelie Sidhe, Ailill and Eiluned particularly, fill the Role of Fairytale Fair witches and I wanted one that could fit other aspects. As already many of the Faerytale witches were royals. So I want some Baba Yaga's and Aboriginal Witches. In fact I think the Skin Walkers would already fit the Nunnehi Thallain of these fellas. Circe Again is a noble Witch, being a child of divine beings. Though I guess many of the Witches weren't impossible Beauties besides Snow Whites Mum in law and Circes for the most part being particularly hot, but not the World's hottest. And most being just somewhat attractive Enchantresses (Another Kith name I considered for them back with Enchanters being the Kith and Hags being the Thallain). So these Witches I could have fill the Roles of Baba Yaga, and the Troll Mothers of Norse tradition like Angraboda, the Giantess Voluspa, and various Italian folklore about witches selling their souls to the devil. Plus having a Familiar would be a rather unique Birthright kinda fun and different.

                                One of the limits I considered was maybe they need the hair or blood or whatever willingly given to them. Or what about using a sample for a bunk uses up the sample in casting the cantrip.

                                The Disney Maleficent had that Crow/Raven she had a hardon for.

                                So Strigoi/Vrykolakas were another Kith, they could say suffer -4 pain penalties for activity in the Daylight until they can slumber in the dark of the Earth or Water for a day. Or maybe some similar penalty if they don't consume human blood, or supernatural, blood what once a week? Once every other Day? Also having to make a roll to resist consuming blood? Maybe gain enhanced healing or physicality after feeding? Maybe a glamour pool that can offset Cantrip costs that can be replenished with drinking blood? Or a ban against running water, or Running water paralyzes them? Or Holy Symbols and Garlic repel them? Though they could be the more primitive Thallain to say a Baobhan Kith of seducers.


                                Hmm now I just need Kiths for say Mummies and Hunters. Maybe Also Prometheans. Dauntain/Autumn People kind of already fit the Hunter Roles. Or maybe take a note from the Lost and do a Huntsmen Kith representing maybe Cernunnos and the Wyld Hunt.

                                Huntsmen for the Kith and I don't know what yet for a Thallain, maybe Stalkers playing off of the unseen watchers particularly proliferated in Urban Legends, like the Call Came from inside the House and what not.

                                Maybe a Revanent Kith for Mummies, and maybe Prometheans. That keep coming back from the dead in the form of a birthright of extra coma/torpor health levels? Or some other similar effect. Maybe Zombi are Thallain that are often either simple or easily enslaved/dominated and maybe hunger for brains/flesh.

                                Also I expect we eventually will get a Hulda, it just seems like a perfect Kith, but I guess I should bang one out.





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