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  • Eldagusto
    started a topic Changeling Metaplot and Headcanon Discussion

    Changeling Metaplot and Headcanon Discussion

    So C20 is a bit weird, has the token gesture of some saying it is not really a new edition, but we never had a revised and this very much is a new edition, both in the rules and the recontextualizing and retconning of Metaplot. So I would like to discuss what Headcanon some people have for their Changeling games. As well as discussions on how they plan or if given the chance would take the Metaplot, either if they were going to run a game that proceeds past the present day, or even if they were going to develop their own future for the line.

    Like what would you do for an Apocalyptic scenario? I still need to read my copy of Time of Judgement, I didn't read it yet because I got it and Ascension a while after I got Gehenna and Apocalypse, and I didn't read Hunter the Reckoning when I got it so I put it off.

    For one I am not retconning the Week of Nightmares. Its weird that C20 retconned that, yet kind of didn't because they mention Anthelios(the Eye of Balor) and they mention the 2nd wave of the Shining Host without mentioning which Houses were in which wave. And it doesn't mention much about the Arcadian Nonsidhe, presumably they all became Autumn Kithain.

    So take this Thread as a place to post em, as well as ideas you would like to experiment with for the Metaplot.



    So Eldagusto's Headcanon:

    I have it that the Kith creation was catalyzed by the Shattering. Before that they were much broader and open ended like in Dark Age Fae. After taking up the Changeling Way ritual Fae started separating into Kiths, as the Satyrs books points out many of the beast kiths became satyrs because of the chimerical disbelief from say having half your body as a chimerical horse that has to take up autumn each time they fit into a bed or wear pants. The Hsien are different from the Kithain in that they had hierarchy under the Celestial Bureacracy and they took up their variant of the Changeling Way thousands of years Earlier before the Dreaming stabilized as the location for Bygones and Fae. Thus they were tied to the already established Umbral spirit realms. These Fae extended throughout Asia, but mostly centered on China, with half territories in nearby countries. Noticeable minority were never banished from the spirit world and were thus free until the Shattering expanded into their territory, they became the Yokai when they took up the Changeling Way ritual, and have mirror kiths with the Hsien as well as extra kiths. Nunnehi like the Hsien were part of a greater spiritual hierarchy since they were perhaps more tied to the animistic world then the Kithain since they didn't have monotheism push them farther into the Dreaming. The Kithain became the default body of Europe and parts of Asia and Africa that were connect through Monotheism. Hence the Satyr and the Eshu joined the children of the Tuatha as part of the Kithain, and eventually the mists faded a lot of their memories solidifying and unifying the perceived history of the Fae, simplifying a lot of their history to skew towards the British Isle's Fae Gods.

    Part of the forming of the Kiths included things like Trolls taking greater control of their destiny, they took up the stories of honor and strength and unbreakable Oaths, while some of their monstrous kin, who may have been Trolls in the Mythic Age, did not wish to abandon their monstrous appetites and habits. This explains the disparity between myths and history and the beliefs of the Kithain. Those monstrous trolls either became Ogres, or joined with other monsters of hunger and became Redcaps. Many of the greatest Fae were descended from the Firstborn, like Sidhe, Merfolk, and even Trolls though they seceded their titles to the Sidhe. Many commoner kiths came from the fae who came from the Changelings who Fae children raised by humans or human children raised by the Fae. And the Inanimae were the Inanimae. They may have taught early mortals the art of Weaving.



    I'm thinking I may have it the Changeling Way Ritual involves multiple Changelings Unleashing ritualistically at once. Maybe Rituals are a form of unleashing where multiple changelings may form a sentence with their combined Unleashes. Like maybe a changeling uses a Spring Unleashing to say "Be Born Anew" and another with a Naming Unleashing says right after "in Mortal Shell" and a Chicanery Fae says "the mists shall hide" then a Winter fae unleashes "till death shall free" then a Chronos fae and a Spring fae unleashes the same words "the soul to be reborn anew".


    The Inanimae can weave, as they taught it to the Early Humans. This either is represented with them using Fae Arts but unique Inanimae Realms, or the Splinters have individual powers like Arts. I feel their either exists Arch levels of Arts, like a 6 and or 7th dot, or Arch Arts that require learning multiple other arts to begin learning the first dot in.

    The Tuatha may have come from beyond the Universe through the Mists/Dreaming/Wyld or they could be some of the Fallen Angels or the creations of Fallen Angels that escaped the War, like how some of the Angels escaped banishment in the Abyss by becoming Neverborn. Or perhaps even they were Angels that deserted the Ranks of Heaven after the Initial Fall. Either way I think they are closely wed to the Umbrood, and like MythAdvocate I espoused the idea that some beings at Incarna or greater levels may also be Tuatha. Like I like his idea that the Aetherial Realm is a realm of the Umbra but also the Dreaming. I feel the Deep Dreaming and the Deep Umbra may be the say thing but perceived differently depending on the method one travels there.

    Next up more stuff changeling history by the time of the Resurgence, as well as my ideas for Time of Judgementy stuff and where to take the Metaplot or how to incorporate Adhene and Inanimae.

  • mattboggan
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    Originally posted by [Insert Original Name
    ;n1229261]A few years ago I was reading Book of Lost Houses. The Beaumayn section of the book gave me the impression that the Fomorians were trying to steer the world toward Winter. I was initially confused by this. Why would they want a world where Glamour is even harder to come by? The Fomorians are fae right? so why bring about a scenario that would render them just as powerless as the rest of the fae? Did they have some kind of resistance to banality similar to House Balor's resistance to iron? That thought in particular, mixed with Beaumayn's insistence that the events leading up to the final nights was all part of the formorians sinister scheme, gave me this theory.

    The Fomorians dont have a resistance to Banality. There completely immune to it.

    The Fomorians are trapped in the dreaming by the Oaths they swore to the Tuatha. The Oaths are enforced by the dreaming itself. Thus to weaken the oaths that keep them imprisoned they would have to weaken the dreaming itself. The Fomorians were probably aware of the effect human belief had on reality and the dreaming this is why they kept them alive as vassals rather than just ignoring and going about their business.

    If the magic keeping them imprisoned weakens not only will they free themselves, but the Kithain will be too weak from the scarce glamour to do anything.

    Though I dont really have an explanation for why they would be immune to banality. Maybe the dreaming used to function completely differently before humanity existed and the Fomorians are a by product of that forgotten age. Maybe there not fae at all and are horribly powerful eldritch monstrosities that happened to dabble with human dreams. Regardless, they lack the connection and dependence that the dreaming and fae have on humanity.
    I have come to the same conclusion after reading Dreams & Nightmares.

    Your last question as to why Fomorians are immune to Banality requires thinking about the relationship between Glamour, Banality and Nightmares. I do think that those who follow the Way of Nightmares (because it is, in my game, as much a Way like the Changeling or Secret Way or Arcadian or Mists Way), since they draw their existence and nourishment not from dreams, produced by imagination and thus the higher brain, but from primordial emotions (fear, terror, lust, hunger, rage) that are linked with the reptilian brain and the instinct of survival, are impervious to Banality, i.e. to the denial of imagination, as someone already pointed out.

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  • adambeyoncelowe
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    I picture a High Pooka as the Forest Spirit from Princess Monoke, or Aslan, or the Last Unicorn. Mythical animals in their fae mien, but perhaps with a mundane animal form too (a deer, a lion, a white stallion, respectively).

    A boggan noble would probably be elected or rise through the ranks, rather than being born a class apart. The boggans seem too egalitarian for noble birth. But once there, they might recall dwarven kings, or reflect the great dreams of the 'everyman hero' or '(wo)man for the people'. They'd give great speeches and rally the workers I'd also tweak Noble Bearing to give them +2 Charisma instead of +2 Appearance.

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  • White Oak Dragon
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    Originally posted by Lian View Post

    I also like how no one is willing to Defend the clurichain.
    Who says that nobody’s willing to defend the clurichaun? I assumed that the focus on the boggan was because they seemed the most “common” of the kiths, and that if one could justify a boggan noble house/kith, then the others would seem more reasonable by extension. If we want to start looking at noble clurichauns, I’m game.

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  • Lian
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    Originally posted by Nyrufa View Post



    You don't build a flourishing enterprise with just one man. But you still need somebody at the top of the organization to make sure everything runs smoothly, and can establish relations with other businesses. In that spirit, a noble Boggan can be somebody who proved themselves resourceful and talented enough to climb to the top of the organization and thus inherit the position when it's time for the previous boss to "retire."
    You do, but the duty of the Present is to the future. The boss has duty to craft an Heir, if its blood, or built of stone, or stolen from some mortal mother, but every Fairy Lord is doing this.


    But we circle back what does a Noble boggan look like? Lets assume "Noble bearing" is the standard. Oba get it, Sidhe get it.. ok so what does the High Boggan get.. a solid work ethic and the ability to work hard.. this can be covered by the boggan birthright... but he needs to be in charge. He needs to be out in the open being seen. Even as the Merchant prince he needs to go out and talk to the Nonboggans.

    But if you say the High boggan has the Noble bearing.. and House Dougal's bonus.. it starts looking right to me? Maybe there used to be Real High boggans who got bred out over time by mixing with others.. who knows?


    I also like how no one is willing to Defend the clurichain.

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  • Nyrufa
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    Originally posted by Lian View Post


    No, Boggan are creatures of community. So the "Self made man" is anathema to them. They build each other up. The family passes it forward. They work hard and pass their holdings onto the next generation, but also see to those who are their charges. They aren't self made because that would be an insult to their ancestors. They build something that lasts and for all.

    Tell me that isn't what Dougal think they are.


    You don't build a flourishing enterprise with just one man. But you still need somebody at the top of the organization to make sure everything runs smoothly, and can establish relations with other businesses. In that spirit, a noble Boggan can be somebody who proved themselves resourceful and talented enough to climb to the top of the organization and thus inherit the position when it's time for the previous boss to "retire."

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  • Lian
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    Originally posted by Nyrufa View Post



    Okay, well, I finally came up with this idea tonight / today (depending on how you look at it) and I think that what makes these "Highborn" stand out from typical commoners would be the manner in which they present themselves.



    For starters, let's take a look at a "High" Boggan. Since Boggans are traditionally associated with hard work, fine craftsmanship and gracious living conditions, a member of the nobility might reside in splendid opulence. As I suggested with my Merchant Prince idea, a Boggan who counts themselves among the nobility might have access to only the finest goods and services that are reasonably available in their area. Their homes might be grand and spacious, and catered to by a large number of common Boggans who take pride in their duties as household servants.

    The "High" Boggan is a self made Boggan, who's family earned their status through years of hard work and good business sense. Which differentiates their kith from the Sidhe, who's titles were given to them under pretenses of being inherently superior to everybody else.


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    No, Boggan are creatures of community. So the "Self made man" is anathema to them. They build each other up. The family passes it forward. They work hard and pass their holdings onto the next generation, but also see to those who are their charges. They aren't self made because that would be an insult to their ancestors. They build something that lasts and for all.

    Tell me that isn't what Dougal think they are.

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  • Nyrufa
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    Originally posted by White Oak Dragon View Post

    Drawing on the stories of dwarves for noble boggan inspiration is a great idea. That said, a wealthy boggan noble house founded on hard work isn’t a bad one, either. Every noble family got their start somewhere, and earning it through hard work and good sense seems reasonable for the kith. Maybe I should break down and write up a quick summary for a commoner kith noble house.


    Ah, the classic feud between Old Money and New Money.

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  • White Oak Dragon
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    Originally posted by Eldagusto View Post
    I don't think a self made boggan would be the same as a Boggan noble Kith... Instead I would draw upon ideas like the King of the Dwarves Alvis, or the Ivaldi, or Norðri, Suðri, Austri and Vestri. But depends on how you untangle Myths and Kiths, Dwarves may not exactly mean Boggan, they could, or they could mean Boggan, Nocker and Wiechtal which I like.
    Drawing on the stories of dwarves for noble boggan inspiration is a great idea. That said, a wealthy boggan noble house founded on hard work isn’t a bad one, either. Every noble family got their start somewhere, and earning it through hard work and good sense seems reasonable for the kith. Maybe I should break down and write up a quick summary for a commoner kith noble house.

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  • No One of Consequence
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    Originally posted by White Oak Dragon View Post

    In our case, we never liked the idea that a whole race was born just to serve another. With the boundless possibilities of the Dreaming, it just seemed right that they should all have their own kingdoms, so we try to imagine what a boggan kingdom or a redcap kingdom might have been like in ancient times.
    For some reason I'm picturing the nockers as being Metropolis by way of Howl's Moving Castle.

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  • Eldagusto
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    I don't think a self made boggan would be the same as a Boggan noble Kith... Instead I would draw upon ideas like the King of the Dwarves Alvis, or the Ivaldi, or Norðri, Suðri, Austri and Vestri. But depends on how you untangle Myths and Kiths, Dwarves may not exactly mean Boggan, they could, or they could mean Boggan, Nocker and Wiechtal which I like.

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  • Nyrufa
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    Originally posted by Lian View Post


    No, you're missing the point. What does a "High" Boggan look like vs a regular boggan? IF you can find a serious difference between that and House Dougal...


    Conversely Noble Pooka is easy, you swap out their second BR for Noble bearing.


    Okay, well, I finally came up with this idea tonight / today (depending on how you look at it) and I think that what makes these "Highborn" stand out from typical commoners would be the manner in which they present themselves.



    For starters, let's take a look at a "High" Boggan. Since Boggans are traditionally associated with hard work, fine craftsmanship and gracious living conditions, a member of the nobility might reside in splendid opulence. As I suggested with my Merchant Prince idea, a Boggan who counts themselves among the nobility might have access to only the finest goods and services that are reasonably available in their area. Their homes might be grand and spacious, and catered to by a large number of common Boggans who take pride in their duties as household servants.

    The "High" Boggan is a self made Boggan, who's family earned their status through years of hard work and good business sense. Which differentiates their kith from the Sidhe, who's titles were given to them under pretenses of being inherently superior to everybody else.


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    Now let's move on to a Noble Pooka, whom I believe would draw inspiration from (or serve as inspiration to) stories of majestic beasts of the wilderness. Their pelts might be immaculately pristine and radiate and aura of gentle grace, or untamed freedom. Their very presence should give off the impression that this creature is a miracle of nature and those who would dare care purposeful harm to befall them are deserving of nature's wrath!

    A deer who holds a noble title might adorn their antlers as one would adorn a royal crown, and their movements could carry the flourishing grace of a ballet dancer.

    A lion might have a golden mane that shines like sunlight and their booming voice can deliver proclamations that carry on for miles throughout the Dreaming.

    The "High" Pooka aren't just dreams of animals playing about in the wilderness, they're the very epitome of what that animal signifies in the minds of humans. By coming to embody the animal's spirit, as well as its form, the "Noble" Pooka can elevate themselves above their common brethren.
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  • Lian
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    Originally posted by Nyrufa View Post



    Pooka Noble = King of Beasts.

    Boggan Noble = Merchant Prince

    Piskie Noble = King of Thieves.


    No, you're missing the point. What does a "High" Boggan look like vs a regular boggan? IF you can find a serious difference between that and House Dougal...


    Conversely Noble Pooka is easy, you swap out their second BR for Noble bearing.

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  • Nyrufa
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    Originally posted by Lian View Post


    I feel like if I'm going ot engage in the secret story of Pooka nobility.. I'm damned well going to have something to make it different than "pooka who joins a noble house and gets a title" So that's why I feel like "High" pooka need to be different in some way. But that's just my read.

    Also Boggans FEEL intrinsically commoner.


    Pooka Noble = King of Beasts.

    Boggan Noble = Merchant Prince

    Piskie Noble = King of Thieves.

    Last edited by Nyrufa; 07-03-2018, 10:59 PM.

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  • Lian
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    Originally posted by White Oak Dragon View Post

    In our case, we don’t necessarily go with every kith having had a noble equivalent like the Oba, but rather that they all had their own noble houses that functioned the same way as the sidhe houses. Those houses now are broken and forgotten, but intrepid explorers of the Dreaming and ancient ruins may find surviving artifacts of those times. The idea of kiths having been more fluid once upon a time isn’t a bad one, though, and we’ve used that as well. Of course, we play a lot with weird time crap and alternate dimensions, so there’s definitely a lot of wiggle room.

    I feel like if I'm going ot engage in the secret story of Pooka nobility.. I'm damned well going to have something to make it different than "pooka who joins a noble house and gets a title" So that's why I feel like "High" pooka need to be different in some way. But that's just my read.

    Also Boggans FEEL intrinsically commoner.

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