How well protected are Childlings?

[Prince of the Night]

Had this problem for a while

not Well protected enough? That makes Kithain society look irresponsible and "Devil may care" .

Too well protected?

Makes Childlings unplayable.

Thoughts

And for the record Yes I am talking about Child as in age Childlings. not Adults who've taken on the Childling Seeming.

My guess is they may be less protective of childlings from chimerical danger then physical.

[Lachdanan]

I *think* this question is too general.

Protected from what?

Banality? Schoolteachers? Pedophiles? NIghtmare Chimeras? Prodigals? Vampires? Chatolics?

Also it should depend on the said Childling. A pampered Seelie princess, who is bor with a title should be well protected from all known dangers.

A radcap street scum could just trust in the Concord & have nothing else.

[Prince of the Night]

protected from physical or cherical danger?

And say hmmmn an Ailil Arcadian Sidhe page, as of yet untitled, but whose elders have hopes for him?

[TheVarulfen]

Remember that children can't just hang out with strangers without the parents becoming somewhat concerned.
Sure, there's magic to fix that, but society as a whole will probably not accept it anyways. Changelings can't protect their Childlings from everything! Only the son of a great king will have a knight at his side, who has sworn to protect the child 24 hours a day. And even this knight will run into problems, in school for example.

[Possessed]

Any scion of a noble House will be watched, considering how vulnerable the Sidhe are to Banality and how final death is for them, even if only by other childings. Also considering the Sidhe preference of staying at freeholds, and the need to learn the ways of their House, I’m willing to bet a considerable number of them will run away from home. And if that happens then they will be taken care of by their House.

And yes, those who go through their chrysalis at an early physical age, regadless of their Kith will end up in trouble with school, authorities, parents and all sorts of others when they go on adventures or engage in activities natural to their Kiths. Redcap children will end up in all sorts of trouble due to their tempers, habits of eating odd and ends including biting when in a fight, Etc. School troubles are only the beginning of it. Same of course is True of Pooka children and their pookaese, parents and other adults will not be understanding of a child who either speak in circles or just lie outright and so on similar troubles will plague members of any other Kith as well. And all this is before we take into account all sort of Chimerical trouble they are going to get in.

But the final answer is as always that they are as watched over as the game demands, which may also be a matter of resources the local freehold has including manpower. Also remember that a particularly important childing could simply be watched over by a particularly strong chimera, with the Wyrd rede, who remains completely hidden from mundane eyes for the most time yet can act if needed. And Chimerical friends, even those weaker without the Wyrd rede, can be useful watches who seek other Changelings for help if their friends are in trouble and then there is the final option of using magic to watch over an important child.

As always YMMV.

[Lian]

Being overprotective of childlings is courting banality as well

[Nyrufa]

Any scion of a noble House will be watched, considering how vulnerable the Sidhe are to Banality and how final death is for them, even if only by other childings. Also considering the Sidhe preference of staying at freeholds, and the need to learn the ways of their House, I’m willing to bet a considerable number of them will run away from home. And if that happens then they will be taken care of by their House.

And yes, those who go through their chrysalis at an early physical age, regadless of their Kith will end up in trouble with school, authorities, parents and all sorts of others when they go on adventures or engage in activities natural to their Kiths. Redcap children will end up in all sorts of trouble due to their tempers, habits of eating odd and ends including biting when in a fight, Etc. School troubles are only the beginning of it. Same of course is True of Pooka children and their pookaese, parents and other adults will not be understanding of a child who either speak in circles or just lie outright and so on similar troubles will plague members of any other Kith as well. And all this is before we take into account all sort of Chimerical trouble they are going to get in.

But the final answer is as always that they are as watched over as the game demands, which may also be a matter of resources the local freehold has including manpower. Also remember that a particularly important childing could simply be watched over by a particularly strong chimera, with the Wyrd rede, who remains completely hidden from mundane eyes for the most time yet can act if needed. And Chimerical friends, even those weaker without the Wyrd rede, can be useful watches who seek other Changelings for help if their friends are in trouble and then there is the final option of using magic to watch over an important child.

As always YMMV.

Home Schooling is a thing, people.

As is private school.

Hell, some of these kids are supposed to be nobles, right?

When's the last time you heard a true story about the child of an esteemed lord attending the same educational institution as the slack jawed peasants they rule over?

I mean, if you allow that kind of behavior, you're practically forcing your child to contract some kind of pestilence that will send them to an early grave! And let's not forget the possibility of peasant revolutionaries who would see their mingling as the perfect opportunity to abduct the young noble for ransome!

[Lian]

Home Schooling is a thing, people.

As is private school.

Hell, some of these kids are supposed to be nobles, right?

When's the last time you heard a true story about the child of an esteemed lord attending the same educational institution as the slack jawed peasants they rule over?

I mean, if you allow that kind of behavior, you're practically forcing your child to contract some kind of pestilence that will send them to an early grave! And let's not forget the possibility of peasant revolutionaries who would see their mingling as the perfect opportunity to abduct the young noble for ransome!

Like one in five Japanese Harem anime/light novels etc has the "princess who's going to a normal person" school... so like every other season I see that?("Oh I can tell winter has turned into spring there's a harem anime with a princess!")

[Nyrufa]

Like one in five Japanese Harem anime/light novels etc has the "princess who's going to a normal person" school... so like every other season I see that?("Oh I can tell winter has turned into spring there's a harem anime with a princess!")

Once again, when's the last time you heard a true story in which this occurs?

Also, Japanese changelings can afford to engage in that kind of stuff. They're not affected by Banality, because they're not the same entities as European Fey.

[Possessed]

The problem here is that the Fae noble may be within a most common human body, avarage or even poor parents Etc. Private school may not always be an option. Remember that even a noble, well respect and Chimerically wealthy Changeling may be nothing more than an average bartender for example in their Autumn identity. The Sidhe especially tend to keep to their Freeholds, to avoid aging among other things, and thus neglect their mortal halves. It often is more likely that the Nocker or Boggan of the Motley, for example, be more wealthy in Autumn terms than the Sidhe as both of the aforementioned are more likely to have an actual mortal profession that they can make money from by utilizing their Fae gifts.

What I am saying is that these things are not always so clear cut. High standing among the Fae does not necessarily mean that you even have a standing in the mortal world. True the Sidhe tend to choose people of better standing as their hosts when they are able but this is not always the case nor do they always get such a clear choice. With the Autumn Sidhe and commoner Kiths even this small chance of choosing is not an option, you reincarnate to a random newborn to be Chrysalized later if at all.

[Lian]

Once again, when's the last time you heard a true story in which this occurs?

Also, Japanese changelings can afford to engage in that kind of stuff. They're not affected by Banality, because they're not the same entities as European Fey.

Changelings are creatures of Dream, the whole "hide from banality behind boring stuffy richness' sounds like you know stuff that will kill the fairy soul. And while YES there are some hyper megarich nobles in the books there's who are just crazy old man who lives in a park.

[Nyrufa]

Changelings are creatures of Dream, the whole "hide from banality behind boring stuffy richness' sounds like you know stuff that will kill the fairy soul.

That's not the impression I got from reading through C20. It outright states that the Sidhe are very uncomfortable associating with commoners. It even reveals that those who manage to reach the Deep Dreaming can barely tolerate being in the same presence as them.


Like you said, Changelings are creatures of Dream, and the dreams which the Sidhe embody are the stuff of lofty nobility, sophistication, elegance and splendor.

By that description, dressing up in commoner's rags and slumming it up with the public education system is more likely to kill their soul.

There's a reason why the Arcadian Sidhe look down upon the Autumn Sidhe.

[Possessed]

Yes, the Sidhe do not like slumming with commoner Kiths but that still does not mean their mortal bodies have a choice in school, for example, as they may still be poor. Besides to the Sidhe public education is as much slumming it out as is the private school. In both you are forced to slumm it out with the only beings lower than the commoners, humans.

Arcadian Sidhe look down upon the Autumn Sidhe because the latter have tainted their being by succumbing to the Changeling way.

The simple truth is that there is no simple answers. Some Sidhe are forced to slumm it out in the Autumn world some may be more lucky and live in splendour there as well. All of them will likely live in splendour in the Dreaming. Some may be in the public education system, some in private schools and some may have fled their homes and families to live in the Dreaming. YMMV.

[Nyrufa]

Arcadian Sidhe look down upon the Autumn Sidhe because the latter have tainted their being by succumbing to the Changeling way.

While that is technically true, it's not the whole reason from what I was able to understand after reading the book. It seemed like they considered their Autumn counterparts to have somehow assimilated themselves into the commoner lifestyle. Living among the peasants and working side by side with them, instead of sitting above them like a proper noble should be. Arcadian Childlings are even described as behaving like spoiled brats who are accustomed to getting whatever they want. That doesn't really sound like somebody who's been forced into a life of poverty, or slim pickings.

As it was already pointed out, the Sidhe have a tendency to spend most of their time in the Dreaming, in order to stave off aging. And since it can take weeks for a Changeling to succumb to Bedlam, that's an awful lot of time to remain separated from mortal society. In fact, it might just be long enough for Childlings to attend semesters at private, Changeling only schools where the Arcadian nobles have more money than God to spend on giving the young lords and ladies a 'proper' education.


But back on the subject of how well protected they are, lets remember what happens whenever a Spriggan abducts a Childling. The rest of the Freehold organizes itself into a "seek and destroy" operation to retrieve the missing child before they can inflict any permanent harm upon them.

[Prince of the Night]

but how do they view a childling putting themselves in danger chimerical or physical?

is what im trying to ask.