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  • #16
    Originally posted by Eldagusto View Post
    No kidding, not to mention all the Faery and Folktales they are based on. It is purely a conceit of a very specific and modern ideology. Boggans are supposed to take joy in Work to help others (or themselves), and that joy isn't supposed to be robbed from them and converted to Banality just because the work is tied to an essential need rather than a whimsy or hobby.

    Except the Folktales they are based on have all sorts of bad endings when one treats the house fairy like a worker.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by No One of Consequence View Post
      From what I can remember, probably the biggest and most archetypical event of the Soviet empire in that period is the invasion of Czechoslovakia in 1968. So, from a Changeling perspective, you have this vast swath of Europe under the boot of of a brutally repressive and individuality-crushing regime, probably making it lethally toxic to newly arrived Sidhe. Those that did show up in that part of the world likely either died or became Dauntain. Some members of House Balor may be the exception.
      I've visited post-communist Slovakia many times, almost always to one little village, and from what I can understand village life wasn't particularly repressive or crushing (in the real world that is, your mileage may vary in the World of Darkness). So I think there may still have been opportunity for Changelings to exist around the edges and in the cracks. Someone, for instance, still has to work the illegal stills in the woods so that everyone gets their slivovic each year. (Think of an East European version of the Dukes of Hazzard!)

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      • #18
        I kind of like the idea of an Eastern European Dukes of Hazardous Zone. Commissar Hogg trying to stop the Karamazov Boys from running their souped-up Volga across the Soviet Union, delivering contraband and evading Soviet military patrols.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Lian View Post


          Except the Folktales they are based on have all sorts of bad endings when one treats the house fairy like a worker.
          That is a very purposeful rebranding of the message. The usual message is you don't take the fae for granted or you don't mistreat them. Usually if you follow the traditional compact things work fine, hence why they help the shoemaker even though he doesn't pay them but once he pays them they stop, why the brownies will do field work if you give them a saucer of cream, why elves craft toys for good children.


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          • #20
            Originally posted by No One of Consequence View Post
            So, from a Changeling perspective, you have this vast swath of Europe under the boot of of a brutally repressive and individuality-crushing regime, probably making it lethally toxic to newly arrived Sidhe. Those that did show up in that part of the world likely either died or became Dauntain. Some members of House Balor may be the exception.
            Agreed. It's hard not to see the Soviet Union as this huge soul crushing banality that would exterminate any Changeling on arrival.

            However, that is just where the Party and its minions would be. The Soviet Union is HUGE and much of it is sparsely populated. There would have to be a lot of tundra, taiga, and steppe where fae could survive. Then after they build their strongholds, they could slowly explore the dangerous toxic territory of the cities and Party. Eventually they would find dreamers among the dissidents (both active and passive) who could be both their sources of glamour and allies. Also, there was even party approved work that was very good - primarily those arts that were created before the Soviet Union was established that the Party embraced as backbone of Russian culture - lots of great music, theatre, ballet, and literature. And even some new movies and books were quite good.

            It would just be very dangerous and subversive to be a fae. But if you wanted to run a campaign of underground resistance and espionage against the forces of Banality with some safehouses in the country, it could make an interesting chronicle.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by MagicJuggler View Post
              I kind of like the idea of an Eastern European Dukes of Hazardous Zone. Commissar Hogg trying to stop the Karamazov Boys from running their souped-up Volga across the Soviet Union, delivering contraband and evading Soviet military patrols.
              Yeah, me too! Why isn't there a hit TV series like this? It's like we're living in an alternate reality where all the TV is rabidly Americanised!
              Last edited by Dogstar; 10-06-2019, 03:55 AM.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Eldagusto View Post
                That is a very purposeful rebranding of the message. The usual message is you don't take the fae for granted or you don't mistreat them. Usually if you follow the traditional compact things work fine, hence why they help the shoemaker even though he doesn't pay them but once he pays them they stop, why the brownies will do field work if you give them a saucer of cream, why elves craft toys for good children.

                Do any of those fairies NEED to do that? That is the key point here. They are working as a kindness. They are not working because the person has charge of them. I think that is rather the Key one needs to remember. A Boggan cannot take joy from pointless work. It cannot be just to live. They must love their work.

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                • #23
                  This is a very interesting thing to ponder. Communist rule focused most of its crushing power on large religious movements, leaving "home and hearth" traditions more or less alone (with notable exceptions). A great many communities and individuals observed folk magic traditions that would make the fae quite comfortable. Though there would still be the shadow of the iron boots of the party.

                  Another thing to consider, is that the arts were highly regarded by Soviet Russia. Music, dance, poetry, writing, painting, sculpture, etc were all highly regarded. There was also a strong sense of "traditional" culture that was uplifted. All of this would be great opportunities for fae to eke out an existence.

                  Baba Yaga
                  This "Little Grandmother" is powerful enough to challenge any force that could move against her. It strikes me that House Varich would have forged an agreement with the hag, or been hunted to near extinction or be turned into Severtal Thallain. Fae who allied themselves with the hag could expect plentiful (though nightmare-laden) dross and freeholds strengthened by Baba Yagas manipulation of ley lines.
                  Even as a Methuselah, this monstrous hag breaks many rules that are normally applied to vampires. Her magic alone is meant to go outside the normal Thaumaturgy rules. The sheer power and visceral horror of this entity allows for all manner of powers, and redefining of her nature. Personally, I would make her a nightmare nexus, a "living" Tarrarom (see Dark Kin C20 page 368-383) and member of the Fomorian Red Court. She is attended by an army of Thallain (Boggarts, Ghasts, Lurks, Night Hags, Ogres and Weeping Wights in particular), Inanimae, and wicked Kithain and dreadful Nightmare Chimera. Being a vampire, Baba Yaga would also have potent ghouls, bound demons, fomori and evil humans in large numbers.
                  And the Zmei or course...

                  Zmei (Dragons)
                  The great dragons of Russia are nothing to sneeze at. These things are godzilla level threats kept under wraps solely by the will of Baba Yaga.
                  The nature of their original summoning made them immune to Banality (and Paradox), but they need to devour dross to remain in the Autumn world in their full power. However one of their number, Shazear, can assume human shape, and can move among humans and the fae with relative ease.
                  In a Changeling game, these mythic beasts would be considered "Hidden Ones", those magical beings that are not Chimera, but hide in the Dreaming. Such creatures would command huge areas of the Dreaming, ruling over local fae and chimera and overlords. Many may be content to rule over the Near Dreaming near human lands, sending nightmare and fae servants to strong-arm mortals into offering tribute.
                  Last edited by MythAdvocate; 10-23-2019, 06:00 PM.


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                  • #24
                    Among other things, one could include "unintentional" events where assorted Inanimae/Kithain suffer losses from events that are either societal (Domovoi hearthfires being destroyed during dekulakization) or ecological (Ondines losing their anchors as the Aral Sea is drained). Alternately, Glamour becomes harder to obtain in urban centers as certain circles of Soviet academics demystify old tales (e.x. see Vladimir Propp's attempts to deconstruct tales into simple functional units).

                    Alternatively, certain bits of Soviet propaganda might ironically influence dreams. The idea of Trolls or other "strong/durable Kith" as a legacy of the Stakhovinite movement would be an amusing irony. Alternately, one could easily envision a Solomid that has taken camp in Turkmenistan's Door to Hell, or Thallain lurking around Chernobyl.
                    Last edited by MagicJuggler; 10-21-2019, 05:09 PM.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by MagicJuggler View Post
                      Among other things, one could include "unintentional" events where assorted Inanimae/Kithain suffer losses from events that are either societal (Domovoi hearthfires being destroyed during dekulakization) or ecological (Ondines losing their anchors as the Aral Sea is drained). Alternately, Glamour becomes harder to obtain in urban centers as certain circles of Soviet academics demystify old tales (e.x. see Vladimir Propp's attempts to deconstruct tales into simple functional units).

                      Alternatively, certain bits of Soviet propaganda might ironically influence dreams. The idea of Trolls or other "strong/durable Kith" as a legacy of the Stakhovinite movement would be an amusing irony. Alternately, one could easily envision a Solomid that has taken camp in Turkmenistan's Door to Hell, or Thallain lurking around Chernobyl.

                      Krofted could easily be swept up into the Soviet Dream, becoming avatars of Industrialized Workers.


                      “Humpty had always sat on walls, it was his way.”
                      Jasper Fforde, The Big Over Easy

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