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  • #16
    Originally posted by Nyrufa View Post
    I don't remember where I heard this quote, but I think it sums up the Camarilla's viewpoint on Thinbloods quite nicely.

    "A skeptic does not deny the existence of proof. A skeptic demands the existence of proof." - The Camarilla does not deny the existence of Caine and the Antedeluvians. The Ventrue actually pride themselves on being able to recite their lineage back through as many generations as possible. What the Camarilla denies is the possibility that these godly ancients would still be around in the modern nights. Ironic that creatures as immortal as vampires have a difficult time believing any of them could still be around after 10,000 years. Regardless of this stance, however, those who have studied Noddhist lore and the Gehenna prophecy will undoubtedly be concerned with the idea of Thinbloods running around unchecked. Since one of the signs of the end times is "the time of thin blood."

    Left to their own devices, Thinbloods could invoke a mass panic throughout kindred society, as well as discredit the Camarilla's claims that everything is fine and they won't be devoured by their clan founders any time soon. Whether or not the Camarilla actually believes in the prophecy isn't as important as making sure that some degree of order and stability is maintained. And if the emergence of Thinbloods poses a threat to that stability, then the Camarilla's only recourse is to suppress and destroy them whenever the opportunity arises.


    I'm not sure the Anarchs outright hate the Thinbloods, since the Anarchs are largely about the idea of vampires being allowed to rule themselves, rather than bowing to the whims of an elder. But many Thinbloods also turn out to be Caitiff, who are almost as feared and hated as the Thinbloods themselves. An uneducated vampire poses a threat to the Masquerade, and most kindred aren't charitable enough to try adopting somebody else's discarded childer. If their sire didn't want to put forth the effort of training them properly, then what was even the point of embracing them in the first place? It may as well have been an accident at that point, if not an act of blatant cruelty on their part.


    It all may sound rather cruel, but vampires are selfish creatures by their very nature.
    That all makes actual sense. The answer I was given that seemed remotely satisfactory was that the Cam's official stance was "Antidiluvians arent real", whereas the Elders and Gehenna Cults actually super think they are real, and just lie to their lackeys to keep them in check. The old "Vampires Lie" is an excuse that just works so beautifully often. It also works within the above answer, and all that together is pretty satisfactory; just the most basic answer seemed hollow/illogical. Acting in a way contrary to their official stance and staking anyone questions them feels very Vampire. As for the selfishness/cruelness, none of that was confusing. Vampires arent people with funny kinks, they're monsters. However, they are often coldly logical and practical, generally perfectly eager to use/abuse/enslave people, so the disparity in attitudes towards the two groups felt rather strange. Thank you for adding more context! Makes the world feel less driven by "because I said so" logic.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by RigelJ View Post

      That all makes actual sense. The answer I was given that seemed remotely satisfactory was that the Cam's official stance was "Antidiluvians arent real", whereas the Elders and Gehenna Cults actually super think they are real, and just lie to their lackeys to keep them in check. The old "Vampires Lie" is an excuse that just works so beautifully often. It also works within the above answer, and all that together is pretty satisfactory; just the most basic answer seemed hollow/illogical. Acting in a way contrary to their official stance and staking anyone questions them feels very Vampire. As for the selfishness/cruelness, none of that was confusing. Vampires arent people with funny kinks, they're monsters. However, they are often coldly logical and practical, generally perfectly eager to use/abuse/enslave people, so the disparity in attitudes towards the two groups felt rather strange. Thank you for adding more context! Makes the world feel less driven by "because I said so" logic.

      Another point to keep in mind is that none of the sects are universally conformist in their belief system. Just because the sect's official stance on the matter is "Gehenna isn't real" doesn't mean there aren't those within the organization who harbor their own doubts on the issue.

      Officially, the Tremere agreed to behave in accordance with Camarilla law. But behind closed doors, they engage in diablerie, which would earn them an immediate death sentence if discovered. They also use members of clan Gangrel and Nosferatu for creating Gargoyles. Which could ignite a full blown war inside the Camarilla's own ranks.

      To sum it all up, don't take anything a vampire says at face value. Only the young and the stupid believe they're being honest with you!

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      • #18
        what are thinbloods?

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Konradleijon View Post
          what are thinbloods?
          Absolute weak sauce is what they are.

          They're Vampires of the 13+ generation and are so far removed from Caine they might as well not be Vampires. They have been compared to Ghouls, and honestly the power level is pretty similar. That said, at least Ghouls arent regarded with a "kill on sight" modus operandi

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          • #20
            Why do Vampires hate thinbloods so much?

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Konradleijon View Post
              Why do Vampires hate thinbloods so much?
              Read through this thread, we discussed it here with some detail

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              • #22
                As an interesting side note, a Thallain Kinain can have any combination of two legacies, offering some interesting internal battles and potential for characters who are striving to overcome their heritage.

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                • #23
                  In the Players guide it’s mentioned a Faction that what’s equality between the Kiths has “Civilized” Thallain

                  reCruitment
                  The Society recruits those who believe in absolute equality of all kiths, Seemings, and courts, and who wish to establish an egalitarian meritocratic society which does not restrict access to the Dreaming. This includes sidhe, civilized sorts of Thallain, and the Gallain. They draw the line, however, at admitting Adhene, as the Dark-Kin are

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