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    This is my first post here. As the information doesn't come in the book, or at least I didn't see it. I would like to know how the "elders" in Changeling are, the characters that would be comparable to the famous "Methuselahs" of "Vampire the Masquerade", since in Changeling there is no characteristic that compares the level of power like the "Generation". I decided to ask because in the book there is no information for the creation of "more powerful" characters.
    What determines that a character has reached this level of power? Or such characters are not possible in Changeling the Dreaming?

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    If we're talking about Methuselah-level, the closest are the Fomorians and Tuatha de Danaan, who are basically a different order of being from changelings (and have never been statted).

    That said, there is a potential 'next stage' for changelings: becoming one of the immortal Siochián. They're not powerhouses like Methuselahs are, but they do get their own set of advantages: they never age and will never die from natural causes, gain an additional dot of Glamour and Willpower upon their ascension, and can resist both Bedlam and Banality. However, becoming Siochián means committing themselves to upholding a Mantle, an iconic archetype like the Boogeyman and the Knight-Errant. Details are given in the C20 Player's Guide.


    Scion 2E: What We Know - A wiki compiling info on second edition Scion.

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    • #3
      True Fae wouldn’t be limited by Mortal form, so far only the Fomorians have awakened like the a Lady With Bones for Hands.

      But Fae Magic like Arts have Unleashings, and they are like if pretty much all Fae had Access to limited use of Archmagic. Fae Can truly come off as Gods.

      You also have Fae that can live centuries by extending their life through Freeholds.


      It is a time for great deeds!

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      • #4
        Originally posted by marin View Post
        If we're talking about Methuselah-level, the closest are the Fomorians and Tuatha de Danaan, who are basically a different order of being from changelings (and have never been statted).

        That said, there is a potential 'next stage' for changelings: becoming one of the immortal Siochián. They're not powerhouses like Methuselahs are, but they do get their own set of advantages: they never age and will never die from natural causes, gain an additional dot of Glamour and Willpower upon their ascension, and can resist both Bedlam and Banality. However, becoming Siochián means committing themselves to upholding a Mantle, an iconic archetype like the Boogeyman and the Knight-Errant. Details are given in the C20 Player's Guide.

        I imagined that Siochián were the "equivalent" to "Golkonda" for vampires. Sorry to be comparing, is that I know more about vampire, than changeling. Although my favorite lineage is Kiasyd.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by YueSidhe View Post
          I imagined that Siochián were the "equivalent" to "Golkonda" for vampires. Sorry to be comparing, is that I know more about vampire, than changeling. Although my favorite lineage is Kiasyd.
          Kinda-sorta? Both are spiritual journeys, but where Golconda is inward-focused, looking for personal enlightenment (whatever form that takes for Kindred), becoming Siochián is outward-focused, taking up a responsibility to the Dreaming (and can be willingly set down again).

          (Also, while Golconda's existence and nature is up for grabs, becoming Siochián is real, if shrouded in legend, and there're enough of them for Siochián of given regions to arrange social meetings.)

          Changelings have nothing like diablerie, nothing that could potentially put them on a whole new power level; the quest for that kind of power has never been part of the game's themes, unlike Vampire and Mage. Becoming Siochián is the closest they get.


          Scion 2E: What We Know - A wiki compiling info on second edition Scion.

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          • #6
            Are there 6+ powers? no. Are there powers that easily rival Elder discplines? absolutely. Scene alone gives changelings elder discpline qualities. I can say set everyone in an apratment on fire.. turn into a dragon, raise the dead....

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            • #7
              I Belive a changeling with multiple 5 dot arts and complete mastery over realms will be on equal footing with a mathuselah if you also consider that a changeling of such powers will have powerful chimera companions (like dragons) and unique treasures (like a mirror that allows you to cast arts into a target at the other side of the world)


              While such changeling might not have arts over 5 dots, he beats any mathuselah in sheer versatility. People often sleep on how powerful having all realms really is.






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              • #8
                There are no 6+ dot powers, and Changelings who try to live for hundreds of years almost always fall to Bedlam by then.

                There are big scary old things in the game of Changeling the Dreaming, but they're not "player characters but older" like in Vampire.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Eldagusto View Post
                  True Fae wouldn’t be limited by Mortal form, so far only the Fomorians have awakened like the a Lady With Bones for Hands.

                  But Fae Magic like Arts have Unleashings, and they are like if pretty much all Fae had Access to limited use of Archmagic. Fae Can truly come off as Gods.

                  You also have Fae that can live centuries by extending their life through Freeholds.

                  Where is the Lady With Bones for Hands mentioned? And other Fomori awakening?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by valismedsen View Post

                    Where is the Lady With Bones for Hands mentioned? And other Fomori awakening?
                    I think it was Dreams and Nightmares. I think she was surprisingly resistant to banality, and if the line continued they would have introduced more of them.


                    It is a time for great deeds!

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by zenten View Post
                      There are no 6+ dot powers, and Changelings who try to live for hundreds of years almost always fall to Bedlam by then.

                      There are big scary old things in the game of Changeling the Dreaming, but they're not "player characters but older" like in Vampire.

                      Siochain, anyone with a 1 point merit, even without it 200 years is probably not super impossible for a fae.. not average but.. most kindred die in the first 5 years so...

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Rucun View Post
                        I Belive a changeling with multiple 5 dot arts and complete mastery over realms will be on equal footing with a mathuselah if you also consider that a changeling of such powers will have powerful chimera companions (like dragons) and unique treasures (like a mirror that allows you to cast arts into a target at the other side of the world)


                        While such changeling might not have arts over 5 dots, he beats any mathuselah in sheer versatility. People often sleep on how powerful having all realms really is.
                        Honestly, Level 5 Sovereign should give even a Methuselah pause.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Damian May View Post

                          Honestly, Level 5 Sovereign should give even a Methuselah pause.

                          ALOT of level 6+ powers are "Normal power but hits everyone in the room" scene alone should give your average kindred pause. Turning into a dragon is protean 8... what level of Protean lets me turn everyone in the damn room into dragons?

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                          • #14
                            Besides Arch Arts what would be a good way to represent More then Human level traits. I allow True Fae/Those not with a mortal host to have these, but for Changelings hmm I think maybe I would allow the Lost Ones, those lost to Bedlam and holed up in a Freehold, to have the option to develop beyond human stats to represent they are becoming less human and more like the creatures of Myth.


                            It is a time for great deeds!

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Eldagusto View Post
                              Besides Arch Arts what would be a good way to represent More then Human level traits. I allow True Fae/Those not with a mortal host to have these, but for Changelings hmm I think maybe I would allow the Lost Ones, those lost to Bedlam and holed up in a Freehold, to have the option to develop beyond human stats to represent they are becoming less human and more like the creatures of Myth.

                              Take the caps off Unleashing would be my suggestion

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