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  • What if the Flicker Empire is in the Digital Web?

    So I was thinking about the Flicker Empire and they are elementals of Light and Microwaves for computers and television, but things like Movies simulate things so how would it be distinguished from other dream realms and then it hit me, what if it was in the Dreaming Portion of the Digital Web? I mean the Empire of the Dolls is the land of Effigies so the Flicker Empire could overlap with the Digital Web, the Virgin territory that has infinite potential mentioned in the books of old. This could finally give me some concrete things to build on for the Empire of Flickers.


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    Countless Dreams talks about a Countless Clade who inhabit certain sectors of the Digital Web, but I also think the birth of streaming video and social media allowed the Flickers to gain a foothold in other sectors (much more so than the space-based Oppies). IMO the Digital Web is huge and not restricted to just mages. Glass Walkers, Countless fae and Flickers all have a presence here as well.


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    • #3
      It could be so, indeed. Or, at least, in some frontier sectors between the Dreaming and the Digital Web.


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      • #4
        Yeah I wonder what the Web is like nowadays. I do not want to know what 8chan is like in the Umbra.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Penelope View Post
          Countless Dreams talks about a Countless Clade who inhabit certain sectors of the Digital Web, but I also think the birth of streaming video and social media allowed the Flickers to gain a foothold in other sectors (much more so than the space-based Oppies). IMO the Digital Web is huge and not restricted to just mages. Glass Walkers, Countless fae and Flickers all have a presence here as well.
          Yes I love the concept of Digital Natives and the Fae in the Digital web. It has me pose the question should the digital web be more then the internet, if so it would comprise all the realms of the Flickers like television and radio.


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          • #6
            The Digital Web is getting some coverage in the companion book going with Technocracy Reloaded. The KS has just ended so will be a while as it was a stretch goal

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            • #7
              Also, look at M20 Book of the Fallen for the Technephandi such as the Heralds of Basilisk, who seek to raise an evil meme to divinity.

              The Digital Web would thus have lots of things for the Unseelie, because it's the World of Darkness and bad stuff here is multiplied many fold.

              Also, with lots of memes related to movies, you'd see large sectors of the web with movies and other film, but any chimera there would very quickly take Banality. Internet memes just seem to get played over and over again until the next one comes. .. Your mileage may vary.

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              • #8
                I see no reason why the Dreaming and the Digital Web might not overlap.

                Wreck it Ralph 2 had a Dreaming feel to it for me. Especially the Dark Web parts. The pop up ad and the Worm virus broker were good example of free willed chimera.
                Last edited by MythAdvocate; 06-12-2020, 11:32 PM.


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                • #9
                  Originally posted by MythAdvocate View Post
                  I see no reason why the Dreaming and the Digital Web might not overlap.

                  Wreck it Ralph 2 had a Dreaming feel to it for me. Especially the Dark Web parts. The pop up ad and the Worm virus broker were good example of free willed chimera.

                  This I mean the cyber realm isnt' invalidated by the Digital web, nor are cyber spirits invalidating Digital natives. The big issue I have with both the countless clade and the flickers being Native to the Digital web is.. that's someone elses Toy. Its like Sluagh being "native" to the SHadowlands.

                  Now having them have ties to the Digital web like the Tribal Fae have towards the Middle Umbra(and the Hsien maybe the high but that's its own thing) Might be interesting..lets call this group cyberfae

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by baakyocalder View Post
                    Also, look at M20 Book of the Fallen for the Technephandi such as the Heralds of Basilisk, who seek to raise an evil meme to divinity.

                    The Digital Web would thus have lots of things for the Unseelie, because it's the World of Darkness and bad stuff here is multiplied many fold.

                    Also, with lots of memes related to movies, you'd see large sectors of the web with movies and other film, but any chimera there would very quickly take Banality. Internet memes just seem to get played over and over again until the next one comes. .. Your mileage may vary.
                    I didn't read my copy yet but I just realized, the Heralds of Basilisk is a reference to Roko's Basilisk?! Now that is interesting to make as a technophandi group!




                    Also The Dreaming and the Digital Web... that Screams friggin Digimon ... and that is a goood thing!


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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Eldagusto View Post

                      I didn't read my copy yet but I just realized, the Heralds of Basilisk is a reference to Roko's Basilisk?! Now that is interesting to make as a technophandi group!
                      Not a reference to it but litterally the idea given shape given the metaphysics of Mage. They are Nephandi who follow the Basilisk.



                      Also The Dreaming and the Digital Web... that Screams friggin Digimon ... and that is a goood thing!

                      I think there's a place for having both. A Dream world of machines. Perhaps.. the dreams of machines... where the Jadeborn hide....

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                      • #12
                        Based on Jacqueline Byrk's discussion of M20 Book of the Fallen on Mage the Podcast, I believe the connection of Roko's Basilisk and the Heralds of Basilisk is intended to be more than an aside reference. Jacqueline talks about Less Wrong and the culture where the idea of Roko's Basilisk was created at length. Oh, and they don't just talk about Mage on Mage the Podcast--they will talk about Mage and its connection to other WoD settings. I'd love to see their take on Isle of the Mighty.

                        Mage cosmology makes the world of dreams, the Maya, and the Digital Web separate realms that are near the material world. So, wherever you want the space hosting movies and images works for modern times because the real internet has a lot of movies and images and thus some would have resonance in the Digital Web. Movies and images are very much the stuff of dreams, so they could be in the dreaming.

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                        • #13
                          Reading the Digital Subspace part of the Countless book really does seem the echos where Digital Subspace and the Shadow Overlap can be systems like File Island from Digimon. :P

                          And nice Jadeborn idea Lian!


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                          • #14
                            I wonder what 4chan is like in the Umbra/Dreaming? Or worst 8chan?

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                            • #15
                              Not all that familiar with Digimon; I'm watching the current reboot(?) of Digimon Adventure, largely for lack of anything else to watch, and while it's not quite my first exposure to the franchise, it's pretty close to it. That said, the most recent episodes have put forward the idea that there's a network space and a digital world, and they're related but distinct. I could see the Flicker Empire existing in something that is to the Digital Web as Digimon's Digital World is to the network; that is, they're not actually in the Digital Web itself so much as they're in a place that's “behind” the Digital Web — a world to which the Digital Web serves as a bridge of sorts; or put another way, a world that you access by passing “through” the Digital Web. Possibly on the slopes of the Matterhorn…


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