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  • #46
    Originally posted by Luisarmander View Post
    If the Nunnehi get a sourcebook (as they should), i would like the emphasis on the fact that they are not "Fairies".
    I like the idea of Kithain getting to America to find these guys with a link to the Dreaming, and powers similar enough to their own that the ignorant Werewolves and Mages get away with calling Fae... but different enough that even though a couple centuries have come and gone since that first meeting, they are still considered Gallain

    What makes something a Fairy? What makes something a creature of the Dreaming vs the Umbra? I think its very interesting Eshu have become Kithain while Nunnehi remain on the outside.


    • #47
      Originally posted by Lian View Post

      What makes something a Fairy? What makes something a creature of the Dreaming vs the Umbra? I think its very interesting Eshu have become Kithain while Nunnehi remain on the outside.
      The cynical part of me thinks it's because African-Americans are more vocal and have more buying power in the US than Native Americans, particularly at the time CTD was first published. TV and film, for instance, do at least pretend to include black people, but Native American actors and characters are far, far less visible.

      Within the game itself, that probably also translates to the World of Darkness. The fae aren't accurate representations of nuanced folkloric beliefs, but rather broad archetypes based on cultural tropes.

      The Eshu, then, represent popular conceptions of the dreams and folklore of the African Diaspora in the US, which is closer to popular understanding than Native American traditions. Black power, civil rights, Afrocentrism and black music in general have all made Black consciousness a (small but significant) part of American culture.

      Indeed, you could even argue that the way the Eshu actually conflate several different cultures and their folklore is because American Black politics (with a capital B) actually merges widely disparate cultures into one African-American identity.

      Native American beliefs, being more closely guarded, retaining (in some cases) their distinctiveness to a greater degree, without the homogenisation African-American culture has faced, and being less 'popular'/well known in general therefore aren't archetypal or broad enough to cluster into kiths. What we end up with is part-spirit beings who are the remnants of more hyperlocal traditions, who've resisted being subsumed into a more uniform kithain identity.
      Last edited by adambeyoncelowe; 05-31-2016, 02:40 PM.


      • #48
        Also, as a case in point, the Eshu kith throws in Asian tropes, despite being named after a West African god (West Africa being the origin of most African-Americans who arrived via the slave trase).


        • #49
          Originally posted by Dwight View Post

          James Baskett was awesome in song of the south, can I have my magical Negro book now?
          You know that the two subjects are profoundly different. Maria Ouspenskaya performance was meant to present a heroic figure. A magical Negro is a plot device, Maleva is as much a character in the story with her own goals and values as Larry Talbot or sir John. Like Charlie Chan, Maleva represents a past period's attack on racism that was packaged to sell in the Hollywood context and slip out past the Production code which forbade showing non-whites and racial minorities of any type as equals. The compromises required to make the attack on racism makes those who fought racism look racist. Are Maria Ouspenskaya and the film where she played Maleva to be scorned because they fought to subvert a racist production code that no longer exists?

          As to the larger question. The Rom have been in Gothick fiction for centuries. As a widely misunderstood minority that is likely to get depicted in the kind of fiction we play with, they deserve a respectful book that deals with among other things, why they get dragged into this kind of fiction.

          But banishing Maleva and Esmeralda is pointless.
          Last edited by Astromancer; 05-26-2017, 09:18 AM.