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  • What is modus operandi of NWO against vampires?

    Do they intervene in force if Sabbat leeches rampaging across a city, feeding upon and brutalizing and torturing so-called 'cattle'? Or they just watch and do nothing, let things go hang?

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    Watch and observe, if possible "leak" information to the cam or forward to other conventions (read int-x) to handle if it's a pressing matter. Vampires are a little low on the priority list of reality deviants.

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    • #3
      If the New World Order does anything, it'll be indirectly. Most important is the preservation of the Consensus, which will involve covering up or discrediting more overtly supernatural stories of reality deviance. Think about it like Men In Black. Witnesses will get a visit from guys in mirror shades, who wave neuralizers around and tell people what they "really" saw. Strings in the local media will be pulled to kill stories that reveal too much, and plants inside the police will see to it that damning evidence is lost or replaced. If some law enforcement aid needs to get disciplinary action for losing that evidence, it's a small price to pay. If they can, the NWO will plant false evidence to lead police towards a more mundane criminal or explanation for events.

      All of this assumes, of course, that the local Kindred aren't doing their part to maintain their little Masquerade. Of course, the NWO may be trying to cover things up, only for their machinations to run headlong into some Camarilla elder's similar machinations of the same nature. This may result in the two working at cross purposes, or making changes so large they attract attention to the cover ups.

      If the Sabbat are using ghouls, and the NWO realizes this, they may pull strings to have those ghouls arrested by police or the FBI. Or else pull strings in local government to get some of their resources compromised. Havens demolished, revenue sources stopped, etc. The Syndicate might be tapped for this sort of work as well, being the financial experts they are.

      The NWO is only going to act violently if they don't think they have an alternative. In that case, they're definitely going to call in backup from Iteration X, and the Progenitors of Damage Control too, if Tzimisce flesh-crafters become a problem.


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      • #4
        Originally posted by BurritoMage View Post
        Watch and observe, if possible "leak" information to the cam or forward to other conventions (read int-x) to handle if it's a pressing matter. Vampires are a little low on the priority list of reality deviants.
        I have always wondered why on earth leeches are so low on the priority list. Aren't vampires the most active and dire threat of consensus?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Numinous View Post
          I have always wondered why on earth leeches are so low on the priority list. Aren't vampires the most active and dire threat of consensus?
          Indeed, it's easier for them to rock the Consensus, on account of them being mysteriously immune to Paradox and Disbelief (and, unlike the changing breeds, have no built-in mechanism for covering their tracks). But it's for that same reason - and their predatory unlifestyle - that Vampires also have the greatest incentive to police themselves when it comes to keeping the secret from mortals. They do the Technocracy's job for them, for both themselves and for other supernatural weirdness. The Kindred are kind enough to see to their own secrecy, leaving the Union free to handle less accommodating reality deviants.

          What's more, they're damn good at it. Memory alteration is one of the most common powers available to Vampires, and they can enslave people with their addictive blood if that doesn't take. Point being, while they can be an enormous threat to the Consensus, they have just as much a vested interest in keeping it as the Technocracy does, and are capable of doing so.

          They're SO capable of hiding, in fact, that even the Technocracy is woefully ignorant of just how extensive the hemophage problem really is. The Union assumes vampires are rare. If they knew the full scope of the Kindred population, they'd probably take them far more seriously.
          Last edited by Bluecho; 04-13-2017, 01:59 AM.


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          • #6
            Vampires aren't trying to win the hearts and minds of the sleepers that define the consensus.

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            • #7
              So the Camarilla are successful in containing and regulating Sabbat, FoS, Giovanni, Baali and other recalcitrant factions and curbing their wanton excesses? If so, how could Cam manage to sustain losses and casualties accrued from continued open hostilities?
              Last edited by Posthumanity; 04-13-2017, 02:31 AM.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Posthumanity View Post
                So the Camarilla are successful in containing and regulating Sabbat, FoS, Giovanni, Baali and other recalcitrant factions and curbing their wanton excesses?
                Well, those other groups are also trying to hide their actions. If they didn't, they'd be found and destroyed quickly. Granted, some groups try harder than others, but even the Sabbat is capable of maintaining the Masquerade (grudgingly). Usually by making enough witnesses disappear that no one knows for sure what happened.

                "Regulation" is a loaded word, and not necessary in this context. The other groups don't need to stop committing atrocities. They just need to keep them secret, or disguise them so people take them as regular, banal atrocities. This is both to hide from mortals, and from other Kindred who take the Masquerade (and whatever other ethical standards) more seriously. Or just hate infernalists, in the case of the Baali. Everybody is extra careful to stay secret, because there are conspiracies within conspiracies.


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                • #9
                  Because the Cam isn't an open warfare kinda sect. They don't launch regional Crusades, hold bloody trial by combats because reasons or draw attention from third parties that would endanger their existence.

                  They also aren't the "police" of the kindred, they don't regulate the independent clans since they have a stake (no pun intended) in the masquerade as well and I think your view on the sabbat running rampant in their domains is a little misinformed.
                  Last edited by BurritoMage; 04-13-2017, 02:43 AM.

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                  • #10
                    So Cam-Sabbat battle casualty rates are generally lower than Tradition-Technocracy or Werewolves-Wyrm rates?

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                    • #11
                      Depends on the chronicle you want to run, statistics aren't really a thing in white wolf remember. Cities falling to the sabbat is more of a meta plot thing then the norm.

                      A prince might occasionally have a pack come through and cause a breach that the city would have to spend resources and influence to clean up then a annual full on crusade.

                      If you want an idea on how to run a sabbat city in the first world read Montreal by night.

                      Edit: Back on topic, if they do decide to intervene it blows what ever cover they had to any tradition mages who pay attention to the going on's of other supernaturals in the area.
                      Last edited by BurritoMage; 04-13-2017, 04:01 AM.

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                      • #12
                        So Masquerade is being maintained even Sabbat-held city such as Montreal or Mexico City?

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Posthumanity View Post
                          So Masquerade is being maintained even Sabbat-held city such as Montreal or Mexico City?
                          Yep, elders still remember the burning times. Packs that can't keep it in their pants and think it's 30 days of night every night get sent to rough house in cam cities by the archbishop or become very acquainted with the Templar because they threaten sect security.

                          Now the methods of how that masquerade are enforced will vary, a lone witness might find themselves on a packs menu rather then getting a mind wipe. If it's a shit part of town it's just another crime statistic after all. If I recall correctly in Montreal there are established hunting areas where if a tourist were to go missing it's no big deal.

                          They still let their hair down from time to time for certain seasonal rites, but those are rarely held in view of the mortal masses.
                          Last edited by BurritoMage; 04-13-2017, 04:34 AM.

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                          • #14
                            Moreover, the Masquerade has been running for so long, it's built up a bit of a "buffer". Primarily this buffer is the gulf between regular people (who want to believe that vampires are just a myth), and vampire hunters. Those who hunt monsters are likely to be attracted to obvious vampire activity before anyone else is even willing to entertain the notion. Most of the public and the powers that be think that vampire hunters are crazy, and don't listen to their stories of undead monsters drinking the blood of innocents.

                            For the Masquerade, hunters are both the price one pays for defying it and a handy mechanism for aiding it. Those Kindred who are too sloppy tend to attract hunters. Those Kindred then either succeed in eliminating the threat, or get eliminated themselves (and are thus removed from the population). Some Kindred even exploit hunters in this capacity, as part of a Xanatos Gambit. Either the hunters or the sloppy (or inconvenient) licks get killed - maybe even both - so the manipulator always wins. That is, so long as they are careful, and don't let the hunter problem get too large. The Masquerade exists for a reason.

                            In the Sabbat especially, it's probably seen as a natural outcome, if a pack is so incautious they attract hunters. They were being stupid, and thus deserved to die. The decentralized nature of the sect works in their favor in this situation, since rarely can a hunter group trace other packs after killing one.
                            Last edited by Bluecho; 04-13-2017, 04:58 AM.


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                            • #15
                              So in most cases, Technocracy don't need to intervene at all, either directly or indirectly, even in the sect's centre of power such as Mexico City? And significant portion of wod's crimes are perpetrated by hemophages instead of human criminals?

                              Do vampires have any knowledge regarding mage society? And how they think about hunters, lupines, ghosts and other supernatural denizens?
                              Last edited by Posthumanity; 04-13-2017, 05:30 AM.

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