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  • #16
    I'm starting to get the feeling you really don't know much about vampire the masquerade....

    1.If you want them to in your chronicle, sure. Remember though, the technocracy game plan is to "win" the ascension war against the traditions first, THEN deal with everything else that goes bump in the night. The conventions simply don't have enough man power or resources to fight a two front war.

    2. No that's just silly, sabbat tend to hide out In rough areas because it helps them go unnoticed.

    The tremere might because the clan sprang from them, but that's only the old elders. It's probably on par with vampires having knowledge about werewolves or fairies.

    Re: Hunters, how do you feel about someone who would break into your house and kill you in your sleep? Granted you could always try to get them to go after a rival....
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    • #17
      I suspect in genuine terms even during open warfare, the Cam and Sabbat don't lose much in the way of "resources" or "casualties." Neonate deaths are basically irrelevant to the elders running the show.

      Originally posted by BurritoMage View Post
      Yep, elders still remember the burning times. Packs that can't keep it in their pants and think it's 30 days of night every night.
      This is particularly apt reference, as the comics version of 30 Days is a great example of the Sabbat's policy regarding the Masquerade (the movie makes some changes): There's no official policy, but the elders would be horrified and furious if a pack actually acted like there wasn't a policy. When the Sabbat says they don't follow the Masquerade, it's a political stance, not a sincere gameplan.


      I attack people with giant insects both on and off the court.

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      • #18
        depends on how far the vamps go of course. techies still wrecked the Mexico city in one plotline. and damn, was that glorious.

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        • #19
          Simple.

          Observe and exterminate the most depraved leeches case-by-case. Or flag them to the Camarilla.

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          • #20
            In general Vampires (even the Sabbat) tend to police themselves. While the Sabbat talks a big game about how they don't follow the Masquerade, in truth most of them do, because they don't want to attract hunters (or groups rather like the NWO). For the most part, Sabbat vampires figure they'll keep their heads down now, until the Camarilla is defeated and then they can do whatever they want. But for now, their decision not to be too blatant is an important tactical one, and any vampires who don't understand that get dealt with.

            If a vampire or a pack goes truly overboard, the NWO might intervene, but more likely before the NWO gets around to it, other vampires will have already taken care of the problem. The NWO or other technocratic agents will show up at the rogue vampire's haven to take him down, and they'll find the haven is already on fire and the vampire dead. Vampire society, even the Sabbat, are probably even more invested in keeping their true nature a secret from the public than even the NWO is.

            So in those cases where the NWO does need to get involved, things have probably already spiraled out of control and that Camarilla or Sabbat's initial response to the Masquerade violations failed big time, such that an outside group like the NWO finds itself having to deal with the situation.

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            • #21
              Using mortal hunters as proxies is a pretty textbook vampire move for dealing with their enemies and for serial masquerade problems that avoid/evade punishment. Stands to reason that the NWO would play the same game.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Caitiff Primogen View Post
                Using mortal hunters as proxies is a pretty textbook vampire move for dealing with their enemies and for serial masquerade problems that avoid/evade punishment. Stands to reason that the NWO would play the same game.
                Indeed. Some NWO Operatives give intel or aids to mortal and Imbued Hunters. They also continuously feed other sects' movements to Camarilla. However, I suspect they are not above to take more direct measure when things spinning out of control.

                According to the Syndicate CB,

                With the younger or more rebellious of their kind, though, that’s best left to other Conventions to exterminate. Not that we can’t, but our Enforcers are better served protecting the Bottom Line.
                Obviously, 'other Conventions' include NWO. Though I think Syndicate would prefer Iteration X or Progenitors to perform cleanup operation.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Bluecho View Post
                  Indeed, it's easier for them to rock the Consensus, on account of them being mysteriously immune to Paradox and Disbelief (and, unlike the changing breeds, have no built-in mechanism for covering their tracks). But it's for that same reason - and their predatory unlifestyle - that Vampires also have the greatest incentive to police themselves when it comes to keeping the secret from mortals. They do the Technocracy's job for them, for both themselves and for other supernatural weirdness. The Kindred are kind enough to see to their own secrecy, leaving the Union free to handle less accommodating reality deviants.

                  What's more, they're damn good at it. Memory alteration is one of the most common powers available to Vampires, and they can enslave people with their addictive blood if that doesn't take. Point being, while they can be an enormous threat to the Consensus, they have just as much a vested interest in keeping it as the Technocracy does, and are capable of doing so.

                  They're SO capable of hiding, in fact, that even the Technocracy is woefully ignorant of just how extensive the hemophage problem really is. The Union assumes vampires are rare. If they knew the full scope of the Kindred population, they'd probably take them far more seriously.
                  Err no. They know the full extent of the Kindred population in any major population center. The guide to the Technocracy goes so far as to laugh at the Vampires for being too old school and focusing too much on the human element. It doesn't matter how many policemen you brainwash or mindwipe if the Union can scan the city and pick out the people who aren't actually alive.

                  The reason why they don't care is because they're unaware of just how powerful older generation vampires can be. Or they were up until Operation Ragnarok.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Enginseer-42 View Post

                    Err no. They know the full extent of the Kindred population in any major population center. The guide to the Technocracy goes so far as to laugh at the Vampires for being too old school and focusing too much on the human element. It doesn't matter how many policemen you brainwash or mindwipe if the Union can scan the city and pick out the people who aren't actually alive.

                    The reason why they don't care is because they're unaware of just how powerful older generation vampires can be. Or they were up until Operation Ragnarok.
                    If I have a grievance at revised CB, it is Union's party line and general perspective against vampires has not been changed much, despite of Operation Ragnarok and Dimensional Anomaly. It is only reasonable that after the Reorganization, Union has to deactivate Pogrom and allying with every other faction and go all-out war against vampires with every available asset, including make existence of vampire public.

                    No matter vampires brainwashing power, Union simply broadcasts credible evidence across every single media and activates global mobilization.
                    Last edited by Numinous; 04-23-2017, 04:04 PM.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Numinous View Post
                      If I have a grievance at revised CB, it is Union's party line and general perspective against vampires has not been changed much, despite of Operation Ragnarok and Dimensional Anomaly.
                      That's because no one can come to a definite conclusion as to what climbed out of the Indian Ocean and necessitated operation Ragnarok. It could have been a lot of things from a PC perspective and quite frankly I like it that way.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by BurritoMage View Post

                        That's because no one can come to a definite conclusion as to what climbed out of the Indian Ocean and necessitated operation Ragnarok. It could have been a lot of things from a PC perspective and quite frankly I like it that way.
                        Void Engineers know. And their hatred against vampires burns bright.

                        And of course, NWO is well aware of what Zapathasura truly is. In fact, they know vampire prophecies and Book of Nod.

                        The rumormongering among the vampires of an end of days, of a time when their legends rise up, has come and passed without incident. To be honest, that comes as a bit of a surprise, as the Statisticians calculated catastrophe in line with their prophecies.
                        So lack of knowledge is no excuse.
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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Numinous
                          If I have a grievance at revised CB, it is Union's party line and general perspective against vampires has not been changed much, despite of Operation Ragnarok and Dimensional Anomaly. It is only reasonable that after the Reorganization, Union has to deactivate Pogrom and allying with every other faction and go all-out war against vampires with every available asset, including make existence of vampire public.

                          No matter vampires brainwashing power, Union simply broadcasts credible evidence across every single media and activates global mobilization.
                          I fell your pain, because vampires, in crossover, seem more dangerous than the Traditions.

                          With allying with every other faction (exept the Nephandi) I agree, albeit the other factions are kind of a mess. The Traditons haven't a partyline about what to do with vampires,and while most agree they're a plage that has to be eradicated, they think the same of Technocrats (hey, vampires usually don't go out of their way to crush Traditionalist ambitions). The Disparate are worse, and Hollow Ones sometimes befriend the leeches. Marauders speak for themselves. It's unlikely the Union can convince these egocentric and arrogant people to join unless the vampiric threat it's obvious. But it would worth a try.

                          With activating global movilization, on the other hand, I have to quote the Men in Black themselves:

                          Originally posted by imdb, Men in Black
                          Kay: We do not discharge our weapons in view of the public!
                          Jay: Man, we ain't got time for this cover-up bullshit! I don't know whether or not you've forgotten, but there's an Arquillian Battle Cruiser that's about to...
                          Kay: There's always an Arquillian Battle Cruiser, or a Corillian Death Ray, or an intergalactic plague that is about to wipe out all life on this miserable little planet, and the only way these people can get on with their happy lives is that they DO NOT KNOW ABOUT IT!
                          It's a bad idea to end the masquerade that the NWO had been enforcing so carefully for so long. The reason it exists it's to better control the Consensus, to make the masses believe they live in a world ruled by humans and human choices. the mass hysteria caused by a sudden revelation of vampires it's not something the NWO wants. Doing so it's only acceptable if the Technocracy acknowledges that they can't handle the problem without discretion, and that's something they will never do.
                          Last edited by Aleph; 04-23-2017, 04:37 PM.

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                          • #28
                            Don't forget that the Vampires are quite literally nothing short of vermin to the Technocracy. In one of the books, a mage made a virus to wipe out large swaths of vampires that fed on those with the blood and it caused a bunch of deaths. They had to cured it after the power vacuum began to form. I believe it was the Verbena book. Now you can imagine if the Technocrats actually wanted to wipe out the Vampires, they could very much do so but they don't cause it's more work which affects the Bottom Line. Syndicate Mages hate having their numbers messed with and remember, the Syndicate feed the rest of the Technocracy more or less. Besides, Camarilla vampires also like money, which makes for better profits for the Syndicate. Hell Elders are basically on terms of Syndicate Mages when it comes to wanting to make more money.

                            But yeah, vermin aren't worth the time nor the effort to police. As a species, we could easily wipe out mosquitoes but we haven't done so yet because it's not worth the effort. Technocracy is trying to protect Humanity as a whole, not individuals. If some Technocrat has some anger to vent, they'd probably just go wipe out a vampire nest, but other than that they pass equipment and information to the Hunters/Templars/Traditions/Werewolves/Camarilla and let them take care of it.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by theoutlander523 View Post
                              Don't forget that the Vampires are quite literally nothing short of vermin to the Technocracy. In one of the books, a mage made a virus to wipe out large swaths of vampires that fed on those with the blood and it caused a bunch of deaths. They had to cured it after the power vacuum began to form. I believe it was the Verbena book. Now you can imagine if the Technocrats actually wanted to wipe out the Vampires, they could very much do so but they don't cause it's more work which affects the Bottom Line. Syndicate Mages hate having their numbers messed with and remember, the Syndicate feed the rest of the Technocracy more or less. Besides, Camarilla vampires also like money, which makes for better profits for the Syndicate. Hell Elders are basically on terms of Syndicate Mages when it comes to wanting to make more money.

                              But yeah, vermin aren't worth the time nor the effort to police. As a species, we could easily wipe out mosquitoes but we haven't done so yet because it's not worth the effort. Technocracy is trying to protect Humanity as a whole, not individuals. If some Technocrat has some anger to vent, they'd probably just go wipe out a vampire nest, but other than that they pass equipment and information to the Hunters/Templars/Traditions/Werewolves/Camarilla and let them take care of it.
                              As of Revised, in absence of a pogrom to pursue, Iteration X has made it a priority to kill vampires. Because they apparently can't live without an enemy to crush.

                              In some ways, Iteration X's characterization reminds me of the D&D-esque murderhobo. Cut away the 'human' parts that give them character in order to gain mechanical advantages. Murder anything that opposes them even tangentially. Refer to the less warmongering conventions as cowards barely worthy of their partnership.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Enginseer-42 View Post

                                As of Revised, in absence of a pogrom to pursue, Iteration X has made it a priority to kill vampires. Because they apparently can't live without an enemy to crush.

                                In some ways, Iteration X's characterization reminds me of the D&D-esque murderhobo. Cut away the 'human' parts that give them character in order to gain mechanical advantages. Murder anything that opposes them even tangentially. Refer to the less warmongering conventions as cowards barely worthy of their partnership.
                                Unfortunately we never got an It-X 2011 Convention book so the degree to how correct that is now is a bit up in the air. Never understood why they just don't hunt spirits though, always lots of spirits to kill. You know, like the Bane ones.

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