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  • #16
    Originally posted by NicoTheDuck View Post

    There are other kind of Hermeticism at that time, but they're all mostly built on the belief that Magick can be theorized and learnt like well.. a mystical-science. Kinfolk are close to Gaia. Their approach of Magick is much more visceral I would say. With the kind of education they have, it is not likely that the Order of Hermes would even think about taking a student with those origins, don't you think ?
    The whole of House Ex Misc is built around trying to adapt unknown magic types and force them into the Order.


    There's a reason "Join or Die" is the catchphrase of House Flambeau.

    Now if you are beneath their notice as a mere hedge mage they aren't going to care...

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    • #17
      Even in Ex Misc., they're still practicing Hermetic Magick: highly codified and theorized Magick. The oriental groups that joined the House in modern times are still consistent with that, like the NGoma and the Hong Lei.

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      • #18
        If you met a flambeau and answered “join!“ your beliefs don't suddenly change. And so it is within reason that you can be part of ExMisc. And the OoH without having a proper hermetic style.


        So, this Zen Master walks up to a hot dog stand and says: "Make me one with everything!"

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        • #19
          Originally posted by NicoTheDuck View Post

          Well, I tend to disagree. Being part of the Kinfolk kind of prevent you from having a Hermetic paradigm. It's not compatible with the belief. Well... it would mean that your Mage left the Kinfolk at some point to learn about Gnosticism (largely predominant philosophy among the Hermetics at that time) or some other kind of highly philosophical mysticism. Most Hermetics (not all, but the laaaarge majority during the Dark Ages) got their teachings from the Jewish Kabbalah and other middle oriental philosophies closer to Judaism and Christianism than any other kind. So... if your Mage was really raised among the Kinfolk, there are few chances that somebody would have let him close to any book teaching how good Salomon imprisonned great spirits in bottles.

          There are other kind of Hermeticism at that time, but they're all mostly built on the belief that Magick can be theorized and learnt like well.. a mystical-science. Kinfolk are close to Gaia. Their approach of Magick is much more visceral I would say. With the kind of education they have, it is not likely that the Order of Hermes would even think about taking a student with those origins, don't you think ?
          That's not how Hermetics at that age used to work. Hermetics traditionally teached their students themselves, inside the local Chantry.

          The traditional practice was to search for kids between the ages of 8-15 with bright, empty, minds. Remember that Hemetics had their power base in the christian/pagan lands of DA Europe, where Gnosticism was either unknown or a heresy - you don't want that "education" poluting the mind of your students.

          Politically inclined Hermetics preffered to take from nobility (which some kinfolk can be part of) but most Hermetics cared more about magical might, and weren't above going to the closest village and kidnapping or buying promising children. And if a local kid has "The Gift", it can't be ignored because Hermetics at that age sought to monopolize magick.

          A self taught adult with the right Paradigm can be taken as part of the "join or die" poilcy, but it wasn't the most common origin for Hermetic mages at that age. Incidentally, if an adult has "The Gift", but follows a different Paradigm, they also were are given that generous offering, along with a pass to Ex-Miscelanea. Hermetics at that age didn't cared a lot about the previous beliefs of their wizards - and why should they?, after all, as any NWO agent knows, beliefs can be shaped.
          Last edited by Aleph; 06-13-2018, 10:22 AM.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Nonsense View Post
            If you met a flambeau and answered “join!“ your beliefs don't suddenly change. And so it is within reason that you can be part of ExMisc. And the OoH without having a proper hermetic style.

            This is true.

            A kinfolk who goes to train a number of years as a Hermetic isn't all that different than any other kin who goes off to learn a trade of some sort. Unless all your kin are: Peasants or Outlaws this a thing. I mean plenty of them are going ot have kin who go off to become knights or men at arms, some might join the church on some level, Viking voyages that ended up with someone coming back years later were not unheard of..

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