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    Is there a list of Technocracy Archmasters (Archmages) somewhere? For example, a list that includes Tychoides and Turing. Thanks.

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    Not a complete list, but I have this partial one that I found online some years back:
    This is a list taken from a user named 'Thebian' who was amazing enough to put this together. The archmasters are the ones with high arete/enlightenment and they even have pages that they are listed upon.
    Tradition Name Arete Location Page
    Ahl-i-Batin Musa 2 Dark Ages: Mage 239
    Ahl-i-Batin Jabir 3 Dark Ages: Mage 238
    Akashic Brotherhood Choi, Vicki 3 Isle of the Mighty 66
    Akashic Brotherhood Mengli, Xiao - The Crossroads 3 Tradition Book: Akashic Brotherhood, Revised Ed. 81
    Akashic Brotherhood Phoenix, Summerset 3 World of Darkness: Combat 92
    Akashic Brotherhood Hark, Lucy 4 Tradition Book: Akashic Brotherhood, Revised Ed. 85
    Akashic Brotherhood Hyperion - aka "Hype" (Francis Hyperion Keating) 4 Hidden Lore 38
    Akashic Brotherhood Kirimoto, Minoru 4 Book of Chantries 61
    Akashic Brotherhood Chen, Bishop 5 Tradition Book: Akashic Brotherhood, Revised Ed. 84
    Akashic Brotherhood Cheng, Suan 5 Immortal Eyes: Shadows on the Hill 90
    Akashic Brotherhood Ting, Lian 6 World of Darkness: Hong Kong 114
    Akashic Brotherhood Ashida, Kunio 7 Book of Chantries 30
    Akashic Brotherhood Ying, Nu - Raging Eagle 7 Tradition Book: Akashic Brotherhood, Revised Ed. 80
    Akashic Brotherhood Jade Demon, The - Master of the Realm 8 Book of Chantries 119
    Celestial Chorus Williams, Reverend John 2 Loom of Fate 58
    Celestial Chorus Singh, Govinder 3 Tradition Book: Celestial Chorus, Revised Ed. 82
    Celestial Chorus Williams, Reverend John 3 Mage: The Ascension 299
    Celestial Chorus Ibn Kamal, Faruq 4 Isle of the Mighty 128
    Celestial Chorus Kuti, Jude Bankole 4 Tradition Book: Celestial Chorus, Revised Ed. 71
    Celestial Chorus Levesque, Aline 4 Tradition Book: Celestial Chorus, Revised Ed. 80
    Celestial Chorus Isobel, Sister 5 Isle of the Mighty 128
    Celestial Chorus Kawaguchi, Aiko 5 Tradition Book: Celestial Chorus, Revised Ed. 70
    Celestial Chorus Pain, Simon 5 Tradition Book: Celestial Chorus, Revised Ed. 68
    Celestial Chorus de Sahagun, Bernardino 8 Chaos Factor 47
    Celestial Chorus Motolina 8 Chaos Factor 47
    Celestial Chorus barabbi D'Arcangelo, Anson 4 Mage: The Ascension, 2nd Ed. 280
    Celestial Chorus barabbi Bishop, The 5 World of Darkness: Midnight Circus 57
    Celestial Chorus barabbi Cavendish, Devyn 5 World of Darkness: Midnight Circus 63
    Cult of Ecstasy Titus, Andrew 2 Tradition Book: Cult of Ecstasy, Revised Ed. 86
    Cult of Ecstasy Moreau, Rebecca 3 Tradition Book: Cult of Ecstasy, Revised Ed. 83
    Cult of Ecstasy Paolo 4 Tradition Book: Cult of Ecstasy, Revised Ed. 84
    Cult of Ecstasy Ethrac, William - The Twisted Ecstasy 5 Tradition Book: Cult of Ecstasy, Revised Ed. 78
    Cult of Ecstasy Milner, Lee Ann 5 Tradition Book: Cult of Ecstasy, Revised Ed. 76
    Cult of Ecstasy Savoy, Mitchell 6 Isle of the Mighty 67
    Cult of Ecstasy barabbi Torrensi, Jannesha 4 Chaos Factor 63
    Cult of Ecstasy barabbi Myers, Joanne 5 Book of Chantries 113
    Cult of Ecstasy barabbi Carmody, Lee 6 World of Darkness: Midnight Circus 37
    Dreamspeaker Dunsany, Miriam - Theatrical Wonder 3 Hidden Lore 41
    Dreamspeaker Khatri, Dilip 3 Tradition Book: Dreamspeakers, Revised Ed. 85
    Dreamspeaker Mills, Robert "Old Bob" 3 Tradition Book: Dreamspeakers, Revised Ed. 83
    Dreamspeaker O'Toole, Robert "Young Bob" 3 Tradition Book: Dreamspeakers, Revised Ed. 86
    Dreamspeaker Jonquers, Elizabette 4 Tradition Book: Dreamspeakers, Revised Ed. 84
    Dreamspeaker Raymond, Netsilak 4 Tradition Book: Dreamspeakers, Revised Ed. 77
    Dreamspeaker Xoca 4 Tradition Book: Dreamspeakers, Revised Ed. 78
    Dreamspeaker Roberts, Mae 5 Book of Chantries 52
    Dreamspeaker Tasygan 7 Tradition Book: Dreamspeakers, Revised Ed. 75
    Dreamspeaker Cravitz, Geraldine "Geri" 8 Immortal Eyes: Shadows on the Hill 91
    Dreamspeaker Ihuanocuatlo 8 Book of Chantries 59
    Dreamspeaker Smithson, Tom - aka "Laughing Eagle" 8 Book of Chantries 51
    Dreamspeaker Soaring Eagle - Uktena Kinfolk 8 Rage Across Appalachia 148
    Dreamspeaker barabbi Galarius - Master of the Realm 6 Book of Chantries 112
    Electrodyne Engineer Eule, Dr. Gerlach Augustus "Dr. Owl" 6 World of Darkness: Midnight Circus 47
    Euthanatos Hetirck, Theora 3 Book of Chantries 44
    Euthanatos Kinsella, Evelyn 3 Tradition Book: Euthanatos, Revised Ed. 72
    Euthanatos Somnitz, Richard 3 Book of Chantries 43
    Euthanatos Bharati, Elizabeth 4 Tradition Book: Euthanatos, Revised Ed. 80
    Euthanatos Hetirck, Theora - Herald of Senex 4 Tradition Book: Euthanatos, Revised Ed. 73
    Euthanatos Leblanc, Sekaye 4 Tradition Book: Euthanatos, Revised Ed. 81
    Euthanatos Vachon, Kim 6 Book of Chantries 120
    Euthanatos Voormas, the Grand Harvester of Souls - Master of the Realm 7 Book of Chantries 42
    Euthanatos barabbi O'Rourke, Meggan 5 Mage: The Ascension, 2nd Ed. 280
    Euthanatos barabbi O'Rourke, Meggan - Nephandus Mage 5 Mage: The Ascension 285
    Euthanatos barabbi Timer, The 5 Immortal Eyes: The Toybox 137
    Euthanatos barabbi Mang, Ru 6 World of Darkness: Hong Kong 119
    Hollow One Fleming, Herman "Munster" 2 Book of Chantries 71
    Hollow One Locke, Alvin 2 Book of Chantries 71
    Hollow One Acid 3 Digital Web 58
    Hollow One Guyot, Mohican "Mo" 3 Tradition Book: Hollow Ones 80
    Hollow One Hutchenson, Christine "Hutch" 3 Book of Chantries 72
    Hollow One Minuet, Mia 3 Tradition Book: Hollow Ones 79
    Hollow One Weaver, Norna 3 Loom of Fate 55
    Hollow One Weaver, Norna 3 Mage: The Ascension 301
    Hollow One Vannoy, Mary Lou "Bitch Queen" 4 Book of Chantries 70
    Hollow One de Espronceda, Josepha 5 Tradition Book: Hollow Ones 74
    Hollow One Denise 5 Orphans Survival Guide 62
    Hollow One Dreadful, Penny 5 Tradition Book: Hollow Ones 73
    Hollow One Nevermore, Neville Sinclair 5 Tradition Book: Hollow Ones 72
    Infernalist Tezghul the Insane 7 Mage: The Sorcerers Crusade 282
    Iteration X Dodd, Edward 2 Book of Chantries 85
    Iteration X 23 3 Digital Web 57
    Iteration X 1110010100 (William Smith) 3 Technocracy: Iteration X 66
    Iteration X Durkee, Jackson 3 Convention Book: Iteration X 72
    Iteration X 11111010011 (Beriah Zimmermann) 4 Technocracy: Iteration X 64
    Iteration X 1011100010 (Tecson) 5 Technocracy: Iteration X 65
    Iteration X Hernandez, Dr. Angela 5 Convention Book: Iteration X 71
    Iteration X Schaffer, Valerie 5 Book of Chantries 86
    Iteration X 10111010011 (Decillion) 6 Technocracy: Iteration X 63
    Iteration X Adri, Pavithra "Pavi" 6 World of Darkness: Hong Kong 112
    Iteration X de Guadalupe, Maria 6 Chaos Factor 43
    Iteration X Peel, Dr. Amanda 6 Convention Book: Iteration X 65
    Iteration X RES 7 Digital Web 92
    Iteration X Matriarch, The - Master of the Realm 8 Book of Chantries 84
    Marauder Ex, Lord - The Lord High Executioner, aka Richard Thomlinson 1 Book of Madness, The 82
    Marauder Abraxas, Senorita 3 Book of Madness, The 81
    Marauder Baker, Roy, aka Bl00dnyte 3 Book of Madness, Revised Ed. 70
    Marauder Nicholas, Mr. 3 Book of Madness, The 83
    Marauder Wolf, The 3 Book of Madness, Revised Ed. 68
    Marauder Zhao, Miss 3 Book of Madness, The 86
    Marauder Davenport, Robert 4 Book of Madness, The 80
    Marauder Geoffrey, General of Heaven 4 Book of Madness, Revised Ed. 70
    Marauder Martins, Barrister 4 Book of Madness, The 85
    Marauder Tarr, Arthur "Diacalaton" 4 Book of Chantries 93
    Marauder Davenport, Robert 5 Book of Madness, Revised Ed. 68
    Marauder Goose, Mother 5 Book of Madness, The 83
    Marauder Islington Horror, The 5 Book of Madness, The 84
    Marauder Nattick, Arlan "The Smiler" 5 Mage: The Ascension, 2nd Ed. 278
    Marauder O'Kent, Jack 5 Isle of the Mighty 182
    Marauder Pioebock the Mighty 5 Chaos Factor 49
    Marauder Salad, Raspberry Popart 5 Chaos Factor 48
    Marauder Skull-Child, The 5 Mage: The Sorcerers Crusade 284
    Marauder Xylloth - Marauder Mage 5 Mage: The Ascension 283
    Marauder Astarte 6 Digital Web 2.0 70
    Marauder Stephen of Warwick 6 Book of Madness, The 89
    Marauder Blue Meanie 8 Digital Web 2.0 79
    Marauder Lncc, Aasdfkljneu 9 Chaos Factor 49
    Marauder Medea 10 Book of Madness, The 88
    Nephandus Sikes 3 Chaos Factor 64
    Nephandus Bowden, Lady Jane 4 Isle of the Mighty 183
    Nephandus Nordsen, Kjarl 4 Mage Storytellers Screen 13
    Nephandus Flax, Herr 5 Book of Madness, The 31
    Nephandus al-Iblisi, Yaqub 6 Book of Madness, The 32
    Nephandus Blake, Jodi 6 Book of Madness, The 30
    Nephandus Santa Lucien, Amelio 7 Chaos Factor 62
    Nephandus Al-Aswad - The Black Man 9 Book of Madness, The 33
    New World Order McGregor, Sarah 2 Technocracy: N.W.O. 64
    New World Order Carmichael, Eddie 3 Technocracy: N.W.O. 63
    New World Order Fotheringay, Arthur 3 Technocracy: N.W.O. 62
    New World Order Ivan, #AT424 3 Technocracy: N.W.O. 65
    New World Order Cassault, Roland 4 Technocracy: N.W.O. 64
    New World Order Courage, Secret Agent John - Rogue Man in Black 4 Digital Web 60
    New World Order Diaz, Montego - Quetzalcoatl 8 Chaos Factor 43
    New World Order barabbi Black, Mister 4 Chaos Factor 63
    New World Order barabbi Darke, Mister 4 Chaos Factor 63
    New World Order barabbi Gray, Mister 4 Chaos Factor 63
    New World Order barabbi Lightner, Rod 4 World of Darkness: Midnight Circus 115
    New World Order barabbi Night, Mister 4 Chaos Factor 63
    New World Order barabbi White, Mister 4 Chaos Factor 63
    Order of Hermes Elspeth, Branwyn 4 Hidden Lore 37
    Order of Hermes Gillan, Mark Hallward 4 Mage: The Ascension, 2nd Ed. 275
    Order of Hermes Seeker, "Uncle" Trevor 4 Orphans Survival Guide 64
    Order of Hermes Cowing, Altimeas 5 Book of Chantries 29
    Order of Hermes Freeman, Mack 6 Book of Chantries 31
    Order of Hermes Hortemone, Klaus 6 Book of Chantries 24
    Order of Hermes Malone, Avis 6 Book of Chantries 23
    Order of Hermes Ouspensky, Rudolfo 6 Hidden Lore 36
    Order of Hermes Endrina, Virgil 7 Book of Chantries 28
    Order of Hermes Mustai, Caeron 7 Book of Chantries 22
    Order of Hermes Scot, Michael 7 Isle of the Mighty 127
    Order of Hermes Porthos 9 Book of Chantries 20
    Order of Hermes Appello - The Hidden Darkness House of Tremere 95
    Order of Hermes Bitiurges - A Fool for All to See House of Tremere 96
    Order of Hermes Omnifer - The Strong House of Tremere 97
    Order of Hermes Pulsatio - Lost Apprentice House of Tremere 103
    Order of Hermes Tosia - The Holy Mother House of Tremere 98
    Orphan Celeste, Morgan 1 Hidden Lore 42
    Orphan Zoticka, Erika 2 Orphans Survival Guide 66
    Orphan Evans, Sir Mortimer - Harbinger of Avalon 3 Isle of the Mighty 183
    Orphan Magnus - Master of Synthesis 3 Hidden Lore 40
    Orphan Haight, Samuel 4 Book of Chantries 161
    Orphan Seth, Merika 4 Loom of Fate 57
    Orphan Gumilyov, Sergei 5 World of Darkness: Midnight Circus 54
    Orphan Rowansong, Ashlon 5 Isle of the Mighty 181
    Orphan Spector, Belladonna 5 Orphans Survival Guide 65
    Orphan Young, Jessica 5 Digital Web 2.0 71
    Orphan Silver - aka Rose Argent 6 Orphans Survival Guide 69
    Orphan Strange 6 Orphans Survival Guide 66
    Orphan Tzin, Mao Tu 6 Book of Chantries 121
    Progenitor Frey 2 Loom of Fate 59
    Progenitor Friia 2 Loom of Fate 59
    Progenitor Chain 3 Technocracy: Progenitors 58
    Progenitor Milano, Gina 3 Technocracy: Progenitors 60
    Progenitor Thundran, Stephen 3 Technocracy: Progenitors 59
    Progenitor Ishida, Dr. Yurikazi 4 Technocracy: Progenitors 56
    Progenitor Wadsworth, Justin 4 Chaos Factor 46
    Progenitor Wernerschnuder, Dr. Heinrich 4 Mage: The Ascension 281
    Progenitor Willonby, Lisa 4 Chaos Factor 45
    Progenitor Gil, Lorenco 5 World of Darkness: Hong Kong 111
    Progenitor Himiitsu, Dr. Ken 5 Loom of Fate 57
    Progenitor Papineau, Clarence 5 Book of Chantries 101
    Progenitor Burns, Dr. Sara 6 Technocracy: Progenitors 57
    Progenitor Smith-Nevans, Dr. Linda 6 Technocracy: Progenitors 57
    Progenitor Anderson, Doctor Niles 7 Chaos Factor 45
    Progenitor barabbi Kurtz, Eldin 4 World of Darkness: Midnight Circus 114
    Skin-Dancer/Orphan Haight, Samuel 4 New Orleans by Night 121
    Skin-Dancer/Orphan Haight, Samuel 6 Chaos Factor 120
    Sons of Ether Cornell, Shawn - Master of Alternative Engineering 3 Hidden Lore 39
    Sons of Ether Astarte 4 Digital Web 61
    Sons of Ether Bink 4 Immortal Eyes: The Toybox 136
    Sons of Ether Sorenson, Gregor 4 Mage: The Ascension 280
    Sons of Ether Riverthrush, Lord Aldwyn 5 World of Darkness: Midnight Circus 105
    Sons of Ether Douglas, Captain 6 Digital Web 80
    Sons of Ether D'Richet, Martin 6 New Orleans by Night 85
    Sons of Ether Pinckney, Syed 6 Book of Chantries 27
    Sons of Ether Tanov, Ilyana 6 Digital Web 81
    Sons of Ether von Neumann, Dr. John 7 Digital Web 79
    Sons of Ether barabbi Giles, Lester 6 Book of Chantries 114
    Syndicate Whittingham, Tori 2 Book of Mirrors, The 62
    Syndicate Brolin, Mackenzie "Mack" 3 Book of Mirrors, The 61
    Syndicate Slivey, Bernadine 5 Book of Chantries 92
    Syndicate Lawson, Robert 6 Chaos Factor 44
    Syndicate Shou, Neng 6 World of Darkness: Hong Kong 114
    Syndicate Durubin, Mikhail 7 World of Darkness: Tokyo 60
    Syndicate Paradigms, Pearl 7 World of Darkness: Hong Kong 110
    Syndicate Simcoe, John Eaton 7 Book of Mirrors, The 60
    Taftani bin Asir, Akil - Master of Djinni Veil of Night 219
    Unknown Zoe the Prodigy Constantinople by Night 117
    Verbena Crombey, Troy 2 Book of Chantries 160
    Verbena Crombey, Cecilia 3 Book of Chantries 160
    Verbena Andreeva, Tamara 4 Rage Across Russia 93
    Verbena Crombey, Allison 4 Book of Chantries 159
    Verbena Crombey, Robert 4 Book of Chantries 160
    Verbena Eilidh 5 Isle of the Mighty 129
    Verbena Carver, Dustin 6 Freeholds & Hidden Glens 120
    Verbena Harden, Emily 6 Book of Chantries 104
    Verbena Holsombake, Gail 6 Book of Chantries 53
    Verbena Mangum, Aida-Wedo 6 Book of Chantries 25
    Verbena Crombey, Alistair 7 Book of Chantries 159
    Virtual Adept Gerarde, Bertrande 4 Digital Web 79
    Virtual Adept Kalydescope 4 Digital Web 59
    Virtual Adept Arness, Leon 5 Immortal Eyes: The Toybox 138
    Virtual Adept Koike, Shiro 5 World of Darkness: Tokyo 58
    Virtual Adept Reynolds, Alvin 5 Book of Chantries 62
    Virtual Adept Nightwind 6 Digital Web 61
    Virtual Adept Sullivan, Kito 6 World of Darkness: Hong Kong 115
    Virtual Adept Nightwind 7 Digital Web 2.0 69
    Virtual Adept Dante 8 Digital Web 2.0 78
    Void Engineer Bassette, Captain Carey 3 Technocracy: Void Engineers 60
    Void Engineer Hayashi, Lynne 3 World of Darkness: Tokyo 59
    Void Engineer Devries, Dr. Sheila "Brown Dwarf" 4 Technocracy: Void Engineers 62
    Void Engineer Panama Jack 4 Digital Web 2.0 72
    Void Engineer Sandler, Michael "The Sandman" 4 Technocracy: Void Engineers 61
    Void Engineer Young, Jessica 4 Digital Web 57
    Void Engineer Brewster, Karen 5 Book of Chantries 94
    Void Engineer Channing, Ambrose 5 Digital Web 93
    Void Engineer barabbi Glass, Seymour 2 Book of Madness, The 29
    Wu Lung Hu, Ming 3 World of Darkness: Hong Kong 118
    Wu Lung Reisin, Wa 6 World of Darkness: Tokyo 63
    Wu-Keng Pa, Ji 2 World of Darkness: Hong Kong 117
    Wu-Keng Deira, Keipizasi 7 World of Darkness: Tokyo 62
    Zaibatsu Watanabe, Joejukishiro 6 World of Darkness: Tokyo 62

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    • #3
      I'm also interested in this . Is it possible that some "weaker(or younger)" organizations (Hollow Ones , Orphans and Tech Unions ) exist very powerful guys ?
      Uh , I just know Archmages having stats just several : Porthos , Voormas , Medea , Unnamed , Thot and Caren Mustai(become Archmage in OoH Re. book), Archmages just are mentioned may more , but I don't know accurate number ... and to tell to truth I haven't seen Archmages in Techs ...

      One Topic once said that The Most Powerful Technocrat Pre-Storm is The Matriarch in Book of Chantries , and After-Storm is Amanda Peel . Both are Masters , but I don't know if there are more powerful Technocrats ... but I think it is reasonable If don't exist , because Tech Unions are much younger than Traditions ...
      Last edited by Rock113; 10-11-2018, 12:08 PM.

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      • #4
        You have some Arete 5 Hollow Ones in their book, but no Archmages. I'm pretty sure that the old Technocracy books and the new Convention books have some Enlightenment +5 guys with stats, but I don't think Tychoides and company ever got that.

        Well, you have Augustine Aleph in Ascension, he has Enlightenment 7.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by History View Post
          You have some Arete 5 Hollow Ones in their book, but no Archmages. I'm pretty sure that the old Technocracy books and the new Convention books have some Enlightenment +5 guys with stats, but I don't think Tychoides and company ever got that.

          Well, you have Augustine Aleph in Ascension, he has Enlightenment 7.
          Arete 6+ is possible , but ArchSphere is much more difficult ... not on the same level ... Some guys with Arete 8 or even 9 are just Masters , not Archmages...

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          • #6
            Yeah I know, that's why I was going for the closest.

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            • #7
              I suppose several characters from the book of chantries might be archmages. In later sourcebook it was said that Doissetep was full of Archmasters, among them Caeron Mustai. Still in the Book of Chantries only Porthos and Voormas had an Archsphere. Same can be said for the Mayan mage with Arete 8, who was a postulate for the role of Oracle in the spheres of Spirit, Life an on other sphere I can't remember now, so he would definitely be an archmage, even if he lacked the archsphere (which were devolped later as a complete concept).

              I suspect that mage with Archspheres like Porthos and Voormas were meant to be more than mere Archmasters, maybe more akin to Oracles. In the Book of Chantry it is said that Voormas is a postulate of the Oracles of Entropy, and we know that after Porthos death Voormas became the most powerful Archmage of the Tradition.
              As for Porthos...he is described as a "virtual oracle" in that book.


              I would say that among the technocratic chatacters, the Matriarch would definitely be an Archmaster, given her story.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Undead rabbit View Post
                I suppose several characters from the book of chantries might be archmages. In later sourcebook it was said that Doissetep was full of Archmasters, among them Caeron Mustai. Still in the Book of Chantries only Porthos and Voormas had an Archsphere. Same can be said for the Mayan mage with Arete 8, who was a postulate for the role of Oracle in the spheres of Spirit, Life an on other sphere I can't remember now, so he would definitely be an archmage, even if he lacked the archsphere (which were devolped later as a complete concept).

                I suspect that mage with Archspheres like Porthos and Voormas were meant to be more than mere Archmasters, maybe more akin to Oracles. In the Book of Chantry it is said that Voormas is a postulate of the Oracles of Entropy, and we know that after Porthos death Voormas became the most powerful Archmage of the Tradition.
                As for Porthos...he is described as a "virtual oracle" in that book.


                I would say that among the technocratic chatacters, the Matriarch would definitely be an Archmaster, given her story.
                How many mages are "level up" to Archmages in later books? I suppose Doissetep and Nine Council should be included ( For Ex , Laughing Eagle , Seat of Spirit ) . Others?
                And , How many Archmages with no or less Stats ? ... Nine Council , and?

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                • #9
                  Dante basically turns into an Oracle too.

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                  • #10
                    It may be of interest to note that before Masters of the Art (part of Revised Edition) a mage with 4 Spheres at 5 was considered an Archmaster (as per Horizon: Stronghold of Hope), and only the most powerful Archmasters had a Sphere at 6 (the maximum level). MotA introduced the idea that to be an Archmaster you need to have an Archsphere - and addeed a pletora of Sphere levels.

                    Probably most mages that had 4 spheres at 5 back then should have an Archsphere now to keep the fact that they were at Archmaster level before the concept changed (while those that had a Sphere at 6 probably should have at least one extra level, not so much because time has pass but rather because the conept of Archsphere changed).

                    Probably several members of the Technocratic Inner Council are at that level.
                    Last edited by Aleph; 10-11-2018, 09:33 PM.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Aleph View Post
                      It may be of interest to note that before Masters of the Art (part of Revised Edition) a mage with 4 Spheres at 5 was considered an Archmaster (as per Horizon: Stronghold of Hope), and only the most powerful Archmasters had a Sphere at 6 (the maximum level). MotA introduced the idea that to be an Archmaster you need to have an Archsphere - and addeed a pletora of Sphere levels.

                      Probably most mages that had 4 spheres at 5 back then should have an Archsphere now to keep the fact that they were at Archmaster level before the concept changed (while those that had a Sphere at 6 probably should have at least one extra level, not so much because time has pass but rather because the conept of Archsphere changed).

                      Probably several members of the Technocratic Inner Council are at that level.
                      Possible in early edition . Book of Chantries's editors once said Archspheres ARE ORIGINALLY A TYPO , because standard spheres are much more powerful than other supernatural powers , in writing Porthos' Stats they started to think about Archspheres , and in Horizon they wrote Lv.6 Spheres , but they refuse to make Lv.7-9 Spheres ... and in MotA this was broken again...
                      And , a mage with several Lv.5 Spheres may look like a "real" Archmage in others perspective...

                      Uh , The Matriarch and Peel are the most powerful Technocrats who are written , so may have Tech Archmages...
                      Last edited by Rock113; 10-11-2018, 11:36 PM.

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                      • #12
                        Some Archmasters are just implied, as we don't have their exact stats. Tychoides helped found a Convention, was (is?) hundreds of years old, and lived offworld at the Cop. That's standard Archmage behavior. Kepler was ancient, too. Turing was key to discovering and reformatting an entire Shen into the Digital Web. That requires Archmaster power.

                        I doubt there are many Archmasters in the Technocracy today as Control would probably discourage them. Computer would definitely remove any new Iteration X Archmasters, at least until the Dimensional Anomaly, as they would be considered threats (this explains why the Matriarch is still around). The High Guild (proto-Syndicate) had Reginald Proctor, but he died years ago. Damian and Basil Rathbone helped reorganize the Order of Reason into the Technocratic Union, but that does not mean that either was an Archmaster.

                        I'm ignoring everyone from The Chaos Factor since it's been declared non-canon. The World of Darkness books are iffy too.
                        Last edited by ebakunin; 10-12-2018, 07:34 PM. Reason: Added more information

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                        • #13
                          General Aleph from Ascension brings up an interesting case of the more "enlightened" a Technocrat tends to get the less identity they have. It could be the case that Technocrat archmasters kind of lose their identity and become whatever those who witness them say it to be.

                          I'd add Faraday to the likely list as he's listed as having "invented" electromagnetism and is referred to as a Scientist (capital S). Creating or modifying a universal force seems pretty arch-sphere-y.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by ebakunin View Post
                            Some Archmasters are just implied, as we don't have their exact stats. Tychoides helped found a Convention, was (is?) hundreds of years old, and lived offworld at the Cop. That's standard Archmage behavior. Turing was key to discovering and reformatting an entire Shen into the Digital Web. That requires Archmaster power.

                            I doubt there are many Archmasters in the Technocracy today as Control would probably discourage them. Computer would definitely remove any new Iteration X Archmasters, at least until the Dimensional Anomaly, as they would be considered threats (this explains why the Matriarch is still around). The High Guild (proto-Syndicate) had Reginald Proctor, but he died years ago. Basil Rathbone helped reorganize the Order of Reason into the Technocratic Union, but that does not mean he was an Archmaster.

                            I'm ignoring everyone from The Chaos Factor since it's been declared non-canon. The World of Darkness books are iffy too.
                            Chaos Factor is a non-canon ? Why ... Bacause of Samuel Haight ?

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                            • #15
                              Rock113 Yes. Haight was so overpowered that he broke the metaplot and warped the entire game, kind of like Dirty Secrets of the Black Hand.

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