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  • Nature of the Avatar

    There seem to be two interpretation of awakening:
    1) The avatar is born with someone and awakening occurs when the avatar is in some way triggered
    2) Awakening occurs when someone is united with an avatar

    Is there an unambiguous canon answer to which is the case? I had always assumed the former but the advent of the psychopomps causing awakenings when uniting people with an avatar suggests that it's the latter.

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    I've never seen anything concerning the second interpretation. For the first, the term “Sleeper” refers to the fact that the person's Avatar is Sleeping. The Consensus is formed by the collective influence of everyone's Sleeping Avatars. And in the final 1e book, Ascension's Right Hand, it was suggested that things like Psychic Phenomena, Hedge Magic, and even True Faith might actually be manifestations of a Sleeping Avatar.


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    • #3
      The second interpretation may come for the "Judgement" scenario in Ascension (the canon ending). According to this, some mortal didn't have any Avatar (which in itself being in contradiction with the previously established canon) and the Avatar Storm was, in fact, Avatars rushing to find their mortals host before Judgement.

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      • #4
        The second interpretation is supported by the first scenario in Ascension, where it's revealed that the Avatar Storm is made up of Avatars desperate to bond with people before they miss the chance to Ascend - but nowhere else.

        Originally posted by Asimar View Post
        The second interpretation may come for the "Judgement" scenario in Ascension (the canon ending). According to this, some mortal didn't have any Avatar (which in itself being in contradiction with the previously established canon) and the Avatar Storm was, in fact, Avatars rushing to find their mortals host before Judgement.
        Well, it was the canon ending before the Time of Judgement itself got retconned away.
        Last edited by Czernobog; 11-02-2018, 02:16 PM.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Czernobog View Post
          The second interpretation is supported by the first scenario in Ascension, where it's revealed that the Avatar Storm is made up of Avatars desperate to bond with people before they miss the chance to Ascend - but nowhere else.
          Well, this was quite the good tandem answer combo!

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          • #6
            I interpreted that scenario in a slightly different way:

            In Mage Avatars reincarnate, this process happens before birth hence people have Sleeping Avatars all their life. The phenomena that caused the Avatar Storm broke the cycle impeding Avatars from reaching their humans, that's why some people live w/o an Avatar (this idea - that some people might be born without an Avatar- was hinted before when discussing Gilgul. The Storm it's basically a compact mass of Avatars that didn't make into the reincarnation cycle). And when the Storm enters Earth people struck by shards Awake for the trauma of the violent joining (it's a Storm after all) more than because that's what normally happens when an Avatar joins with a human.
            Last edited by Aleph; 11-02-2018, 03:16 PM.

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