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  • KingJohn
    started a topic Technocratic strike against Malfeas

    Technocratic strike against Malfeas

    Hello folks,

    I had a scenario playing in my mind: What if, by some loosely related chain of events, the Technocracy ended up mustering a great deal of it's manpower (spaceships, cyborgs, Void engineers, etc) and invaded Malfeas, the realm of the Wyrm incarnae? Can you imagine them emerging victorious in any scenario? Might the Wyrm take this declaration of war to it's logical extreme and proceed with blight-attacks near/around Technocratic facilities and cities around Earth? Or perhaps against particular Technocratic officers?

    Finally, how would you storytell something like this?

    Discuss!

  • Warpwind
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    Direct Assault? I really donno.
    If someone wanted to harm Wyrm... try releasing Wyrd power sources it keeps? maybe also reroute and sterilize the power 'lines', etc.?

    I mean, even if Technocracy defeats Wyrm, then what? Entropy is a fundamental force of the universe, what u gonna do, take it out? What about other parts of the triad that are gonna go wild in this situation?

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  • Rock113
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    Originally posted by Aleph View Post
    Like the White Howlers in the time of their inevitable descension, it's the story of a great mistake caused by great hubris combined with self-righteousness.
    Speaking of this. Sometimes you can’t be that confident and self-righteousness, especially facing a much greater enemies, the righteousness is very cheap, in some cases. Negative examples are numerous. Keep logic and calm is very important.

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  • Bluecho
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    Originally posted by AnubisXy View Post
    Yeah, I think it could happen instantly, though if I were running this as a campaign I'd have it be a sort of slow, creeping corruption as the players (Technocratic agents taking part in this invasion of hell) slowly found all of their allies becoming more and more corrupt and monstrous. I think that would make for a more interesting game scenario. Suddenly I'm remembering Warhammer 40k and how some of the Legions fell to Chaos and became corrupted and twisted. I imagine something similar happening if the Technocracy tried to launch a mass invasion of Malfeas (or the 1000 Hells or somewhere similar).
    Agreed. The corruption of a Technocratic invasion force in Malfeas is liable to be subtle, at first. The worst passions teased out of the agents by the horrors of war. The Wyrm's voice bleeding into the dreams of those agents who make camp in Malfean territory. Seemingly reasonable compromises by officer and common grunt alike, both ethical and tactical. A deal struck with a low-level Bane spirit here, allowing a Union asset to be sacrificed in battle there.

    The Wyrm doesn't care about the forces in its employ, singly or collectively. The Wyrm plans to corrupt and destroy Everything and Everyone, sooner or later. It would have no qualms about throwing its forces to the wolves - or, in this case, the Mages - if it means getting its hooks into those very invaders. Grant them enough victories, and Union personnel will helpfully take the place of the Malfeans they butchered.

    Blood for the Blood God. Skulls for the Skull Throne. Doesn't really matter whose blood or skulls, when the result is the same.

    Even if the corruption is discovered, that just means the Wyrm's enemies will exhaust themselves on killing their own. The in-fighting itself is advantageous to the Wyrm. It worked with the Garou.

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  • AnubisXy
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    Yeah, I think it could happen instantly, though if I were running this as a campaign I'd have it be a sort of slow, creeping corruption as the players (Technocratic agents taking part in this invasion of hell) slowly found all of their allies becoming more and more corrupt and monstrous. I think that would make for a more interesting game scenario. Suddenly I'm remembering Warhammer 40k and how some of the Legions fell to Chaos and became corrupted and twisted. I imagine something similar happening if the Technocracy tried to launch a mass invasion of Malfeas (or the 1000 Hells or somewhere similar).

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  • Saur Ops Specialist
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    Originally posted by AnubisXy View Post
    The Technocracy could certain invade Malfeas and do some damage, but I suspect the fight would be fairly drawn out. Rather than just a quick "one and done" fight it would end up as something longer, as the Technocracy had to take one section of the Realm, occupy it and then try to take the next. And I can't help but imagine that, as the Technocracy's soldiers stayed there in the Wyrm's presence for an extended period of time many of them would end up becoming corrupted by the Wyrm's influence.
    I can't imagine that it would be better than being in a Broken Mirror in those hypothetical "occupied" domains, and quite frankly, being in a Broken Mirror is really damned bad, what with the functionally immortal fomori and all. Given that corruption also acts really easily on Weaver-ish types, I'm guessing that the corruption would happen the exact moment that the TU tried to establish a beach-head in the Realm.

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  • AnubisXy
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    The Technocracy could certain invade Malfeas and do some damage, but I suspect the fight would be fairly drawn out. Rather than just a quick "one and done" fight it would end up as something longer, as the Technocracy had to take one section of the Realm, occupy it and then try to take the next. And I can't help but imagine that, as the Technocracy's soldiers stayed there in the Wyrm's presence for an extended period of time many of them would end up becoming corrupted by the Wyrm's influence.

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  • Penelope
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    I don’t think the Technocracy would do that. The Syndicate is still making A LOT of money off of Pentex.

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  • Saur Ops Specialist
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    Originally posted by Gryphon's Feather View Post
    "We started what might be turning into a nephandi cult*, but since it's turning a profit, let's ignore it so nobody knows we screwed up" is certainly something I could have expected as a Technocratic plot thread. Just not to such a ridiculously large scale.

    *From a Mage perspective, at least.
    It's all fun and games until you try to check on SPD and get ambushed by combat fomori with 8s across the board in combat-related Attributes. Or Mockery Changers, either one is probably unpleasant and lethal.

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  • Gryphon's Feather
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    "We started what might be turning into a nephandi cult*, but since it's turning a profit, let's ignore it so nobody knows we screwed up" is certainly something I could have expected as a Technocratic plot thread. Just not to such a ridiculously large scale.

    *From a Mage perspective, at least.

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  • Reasor
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    I did not know any of that. Awesome!

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  • Undead rabbit
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    The Syndicate cannot move against Pentex. It's their little dirty secret. A Full frontal economic warfare would tip the NWO.
    Pentex was born from a methodology of the Syndicate, the SPD.

    If the NWO find out the connection between Pentex and Syndicate then the NWO would probably purge the Syndicate.
    There is a whole section in Syndicate Revised that explains how bad is the situation with Pentex.

    From Syndicate Revised

    Three months into the Reorganization, we tried to contact the executives in Special Projects. No calls were returned, no emails
    replied to. We went down the roster, from VP Sinclair on down, and no one was home.

    Naturally, we went to do some house calls. Disbursements agents went to various Pentex holdings to find out what was going on. Two agents went into their Atlanta office. None came out. Two more went into their Paris office, same story. All four agents’ life signs went flat a few minutes into the visit. No other
    evidence — audio and video feeds cut out upon entering the building
    .

    Teams of Enforcers came in to handle the job, simultaneously hitting D.C., Munich, Seattle, and Shanghai. The story’s almost the same as the first: their life signs lasted a little longer, and to make a point, one Enforcer’s head was mailed to the VPO of Finance’s office.
    Or, it’d be more accurate to say that the box was sitting on her desk when she walked in after a five-martini lunch — no note, no sign of who left it there.


    Here’s the funny thing: Pentex kept sending its quarterly dividends to the Syndicate. So, whatever process was in place to make sure the Syndicate’s cash flow wasn’t interrupted still worked, even if there wasn’t anyone around to deal with it. It still does today, a decade later. From that perspective, Pentex
    operates exactly as it did before the Anomaly, at least as far as the world’s concerned.

    However, it hasn’t delivered any hypertech since it went silent. There’s nothing but questions: what the hell happened to Special Projects Division
    and what the fuck killed those highly trained Enlightened badasses?

    The Board decided that the price for the answers was too high, especially since Pentex was still paying into the machine. The Bottom
    Line wasn’t being fucked with enough to risk a bigger operation. Certainly, we could mount one, but the risk isn’t about lives lost;
    it’s about the other Conventions finding out about SPD. That would tip the balance of power completely to NWO, and if that happens,
    the entire Union is lost.


    Not many know about this… situation; certainly no one outside of the Syndicate. The VPO of Finance has a team of Enforcers, known as Special Information Security Division (SISD), whose sole job it is to handle any potential threats to that information.
    Last edited by Undead rabbit; 12-25-2019, 11:45 AM.

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  • Reasor
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    Pentex versus the Syndicate could potentially be a comedy of dueling hostile takeovers.

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  • Saur Ops Specialist
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    Originally posted by KingJohn View Post


    Perhaps the Technocracy would clash with Pentex? I can only imagine that the Union wouldn't be too happy with a bunch of corruption-loving reality deviants tampering with their Consensus.

    Then they get to feel a tiny bit how the Garou and Fera do, because Pentex isn't actually the ultimate problem. The entire system of wealth that the TU helped to set up is the problem, as the charter purpose of corporations - make money over all other concerns - is extremely ripe for corruption by the Wyrm. The Technocrats will have to face up to the fact that the ones they see in the mirror fucked up horribly and helped to doom the world. Most WoD protagonists hoping for the contrary aren't really so great at that level of self-criticism, so they'll probably just keep trying to make their original plans work.

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  • KingJohn
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    Originally posted by Aleph View Post

    The White Howlers already "been there, done that".

    It doesn't end well.



    Yes, they study the enemy and correctly assess that trying to blow up "destruction" it's a bit dumb.

    Then they retreat, kill the Nephandi that most likely suggested the attack, keep a close watch on anyone involved, and perhaps try to curb the Wyrm's influence in more sensible ways from now on



    I think the Wyrm largely approves all violent war declarations, and having to deal with blights and banes afterwards it's as natural as getting wet after jumping to water.

    For instance, an excess of Paradox caused while battling the Wyrm could end on some Paradox spirits becoming corrupted, creating Paradox-Banes. And no one want's that, but it wouldn't be a "retaliation" per se. If you jump into the water you get wet, if you jump into the Wyrm you get Banes.

    More, mmm..."singular" spirits that had their stuff nuked as consequence of an attack could retaliate on a more conventional fashion, sure. Sending minions and curses like any normal person-thing would.



    Like the White Howlers in the time of their inevitable descension, it's the story of a great mistake caused by great hubris combined with self-righteousness. I think there could be a Mage story here somewhere.

    But the Technocracy "as it is" it's not a very good medium. As Enginseer-42 stated, the Technocracy doesn't care much about the Wyrm, Umbral hellholes, and such...nor wants to.

    One may need to invent either alternate Technocracy or a whole new faction of mages to make this a sensible story. And even then it's important to find a place for the players in the whole drama that doesn't make them mere spectators of the ruined endeavor

    Perhaps the Technocracy would clash with Pentex? I can only imagine that the Union wouldn't be too happy with a bunch of corruption-loving reality deviants tampering with their Consensus.

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