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  • Mr Gone
    started a topic M20 Character Sheets

    M20 Character Sheets

    Hey everyone. I just wanted to let you know I have Official M20 sheets I created up on my site now.

    http://mrgone.rocksolidshells.com/m20.html

    I'll be working on a Technocracy geared version as well. I'll let you know when it's ready.

  • Mr Gone
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    Originally posted by Nail Eater View Post
    As for expanded pages I would add some pages for society backgrounds (allies, contacts, mentor). After longer campaigns (I don't like to make my players create new characters for every story; I prefere longer stories which ends when character dies or player wants to leave his/her character behind) characters meet new contacts, allies or enemies. And only 3 verses for describing them is too little space. And, for those who like to use dices, you could add a little space for describing p. ex. vehicles, with their speed and maneuverability.
    Ok, thanks! Appreciate the suggestions....that gives me some stuff to think about.

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  • Nail Eater
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    As for expanded pages I would add some pages for society backgrounds (allies, contacts, mentor). After longer campaigns (I don't like to make my players create new characters for every story; I prefere longer stories which ends when character dies or player wants to leave his/her character behind) characters meet new contacts, allies or enemies. And only 3 verses for describing them is too little space. And, for those who like to use dices, you could add a little space for describing p. ex. vehicles, with their speed and maneuverability.

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  • Mr Gone
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    Originally posted by Nail Eater View Post
    One of my players asked if you plan to create character sheet with more pages. Something like Shadowrun Character Dossier: 16 pages where you can describe character's fake identities, vehicles, hideouts, decks, even contacts with basic stats. It's because M20 sheet lacks space to describe p. ex. character's allies even with a few words.
    Hi! I hadn't planned on it...but that's because no one ever asked me.

    If you have some ideas for the expanded pages, you're welcome to send them my way. I do have some add-on sheets that might work, like the notes sheet and such. But yea, if you have some ideas, send em my way and I'll add it to my to-do list.

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  • Nail Eater
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    One of my players asked if you plan to create character sheet with more pages. Something like Shadowrun Character Dossier: 16 pages where you can describe character's fake identities, vehicles, hideouts, decks, even contacts with basic stats. It's because M20 sheet lacks space to describe p. ex. character's allies even with a few words.

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  • Mr Gone
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    Originally posted by Muad'Dib View Post
    Thank you for updating these Nephandi sheets, and also thank you a lot for the other World of Darkness sheets .
    You're very welcome! Glad I could help..

    Originally posted by Muad'Dib View Post
    Another detail : Ahriman ( The Nephandi equivalent of a Cabal ) is missing. It could be put at the top, but for this one entry would have to be removed. I would suggest for 'chronicle' to be removed, 'type' put in place of 'chronicle' ( midlde left ) , and 'Ahriman' put where 'type' currently is ( top right ) .
    Ok, I'll see what I can do..

    Originally posted by Muad'Dib View Post
    The Essences could be listed in four selections ; the other one could be crossed out after printing the sheet. Myself I prefer eight selections.
    Well, I have you fixed up then.

    Originally posted by Muad'Dib View Post
    I cannot open the regular Mage Nephandi sheets with Acrobat Reader DC. It says: "There was a problem reading this document(14)." . Microsoft Edge also can't open them. The previous ones I could open. I just downloaded the Verbena, Cult of Ecstasy, Order of Hermes, Virtual Adepts, New World Order, the Syndicate, Progenitors, and Children of Knowledge sheets, and I can open them ; so I think it might be an issue with the regular Mage updated Nephandi sheets.
    That's weird... I just downloaded and opened the, in both versions of Acrobat I have on my main PC and they worked fine. I loaded them up in Firefox and they loaded ok. So, I tested them on my other PC and loaded it up in Microsoft Edge, and they loaded fine too..

    Maybe try clearing the cache and re-downloading?

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  • Muad'Dib
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    Thank you for updating these Nephandi sheets, and also thank you a lot for the other World of Darkness sheets .

    Another detail : Ahriman ( The Nephandi equivalent of a Cabal ) is missing. It could be put at the top, but for this one entry would have to be removed. I would suggest for 'chronicle' to be removed, 'type' put in place of 'chronicle' ( midlde left ) , and 'Ahriman' put where 'type' currently is ( top right ) .

    Originally posted by Mr Gone View Post
    The original sheet never had the regular ones to begin with, so when I copied the field, this one didn't either. I just thought with them being listed in the parentheses it;d be fine..since no one has ever said anything before. If you think they need a separate listing I can update it..
    The Essences could be listed in four selections ; the other one could be crossed out after printing the sheet. Myself I prefer eight selections.

    I cannot open the regular Mage Nephandi sheets with Acrobat Reader DC. It says: "There was a problem reading this document(14)." . Microsoft Edge also can't open them. The previous ones I could open. I just downloaded the Verbena, Cult of Ecstasy, Order of Hermes, Virtual Adepts, New World Order, the Syndicate, Progenitors, and Children of Knowledge sheets, and I can open them ; so I think it might be an issue with the regular Mage updated Nephandi sheets.
    Last edited by Muad'Dib; 12-17-2018, 03:54 PM.

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  • Mr Gone
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    Ok, I have them all updated again...for Revised and M20...

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  • Mr Gone
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    Originally posted by Muad'Dib View Post
    I was looking at the sheets from the regular Mage section, and not M20. I checked the M20 ones, they are updated.
    Ok, cool.

    Originally posted by Muad'Dib View Post
    Some more comments/suggestions :
    I suggest that you make the factions selection partly non-alphabetical ( if it is possible ) , with the three principal ( as I understand it from what I read in the M:tA books ) Nephandi factions - the Infernal Nephandi, the Malfean Nephandi, and the K'llashaa - at the top. It seems wrong to me that they share alphabetical ordering with the other factions, who joined the Nephandi later - both in-setting and in publications. The M20 Corebook lists these three factions first.
    Ah, ok. Sorry. I'll get that updated soon...

    Originally posted by Muad'Dib View Post
    Why didn't you leave the regular Essences in the selection ? They should be there.
    The original sheet never had the regular ones to begin with, so when I copied the field, this one didn't either. I just thought with them being listed in the parentheses it;d be fine..since no one has ever said anything before. If you think they need a separate listing I can update it..

    Originally posted by Muad'Dib View Post
    There are multiple Gilledeans, so this rank should be listed without 'the' .
    Ok..

    Originally posted by Muad'Dib View Post
    Can you also update the Nephandi sheets from the regular Mage section ?
    Yea, I suppose so...

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  • Muad'Dib
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    Originally posted by Mr Gone View Post
    Maybe you need to refresh? I uploaded the new files...

    Tho, while I updated the essences, I didn't leave the regular ones in, I just added the one from my Mage revised sheet..

    Everything else I think I updated as requested. So, you may need to refresh and redownload. Then take a look, and if you still need it updated, let me know what you need. Though to note, all the drop down menu fields can also be typed in, so you can manually type in anything not on the list.
    I was looking at the sheets from the regular Mage section, and not M20. I checked the M20 ones, they are updated. Some more comments/suggestions :
    I suggest that you make the factions selection partly non-alphabetical ( if it is possible ) , with the three principal ( as I understand it from what I read in the M:tA books ) Nephandi factions - the Infernal Nephandi, the Malfean Nephandi, and the K'llashaa - at the top. It seems wrong to me that they share alphabetical ordering with the other factions, who joined the Nephandi later - both in-setting and in publications. The M20 Corebook lists these three factions first.
    Why didn't you leave the regular Essences in the selection ? They should be there.
    There are multiple Gilledeans, so this rank should be listed without 'the' .

    Can you also update the Nephandi sheets from the regular Mage section ?
    Last edited by Muad'Dib; 12-16-2018, 03:16 PM.

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  • Mr Gone
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    Maybe you need to refresh? I uploaded the new files...

    Tho, while I updated the essences, I didn't leave the regular ones in, I just added the one from my Mage revised sheet..

    Everything else I think I updated as requested. So, you may need to refresh and redownload. Then take a look, and if you still need it updated, let me know what you need. Though to note, all the drop down menu fields can also be typed in, so you can manually type in anything not on the list.

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  • Muad'Dib
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    There are still only three factions. Did you add the Widderslainte Essences in such a way to save space ? There should be eight separate selections, as the Barrabi still have the regular four Essences. Also, the GIlledean rank is still missing.

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  • Mr Gone
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    Muad'Dib Just so you know, I have the M20 Nephandi sheets updated for you. Hopefully that'll help.

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  • Mr Gone
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    Originally posted by Muad'Dib View Post
    I think you should include a field that specifies the former Tradition or Convention of a Nephandus, or the lack of it ( for Widderslaintes, Mages who joined the Nephandi soon after Awakening, and maybe also for Independents / Orphans ) . The character outlines given for Nephandi in the M:tA books list their faction as ' [ former group ] Barrabi ' . I think that it is an important distinction.
    I just assumed that wouldn't be something you needed to keep track of at the top of the sheet though, seemed more like something just mentioned in the history or something.

    But if you think it needs to be included I'll see what I can do.

    Originally posted by Muad'Dib View Post
    I read the groups section in "Infernalism: The Path of Screams", and it turns out that the groups described in it are separate from the Nephandi. Except the Gatekeepers of Ganzir, who are probably the same group as the Gatekeepers described in M20 the Corebook.
    The M20 Corebook lists the following Sects / sub-factions of the Nephandi ( in addition to the three listed in the second Book of Madness ) : the Gatekeepers, Technepandi, the Decadenti, Los Sangrientos, Hammer Security Response, the Pipers, the Golden Bull. The Decadenti and the Golden Bull are the groups I like the most out of these additional Nephandi sub-factions.
    Thanks for writing those up for me. I appreciate it.

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  • Muad'Dib
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    I think you should include a field that specifies the former Tradition or Convention of a Nephandus, or the lack of it ( for Widderslaintes, Mages who joined the Nephandi soon after Awakening, and maybe also for Independents / Orphans ) . The character outlines given for Nephandi in the M:tA books list their faction as ' [ former group ] Barrabi ' . I think that it is an important distinction.

    Originally posted by Mr Gone View Post
    Sure, if you'd like to. Thanks.
    I read the groups section in "Infernalism: The Path of Screams", and it turns out that the groups described in it are separate from the Nephandi. Except the Gatekeepers of Ganzir, who are probably the same group as the Gatekeepers described in M20 the Corebook.
    The M20 Corebook lists the following Sects / sub-factions of the Nephandi ( in addition to the three listed in the second Book of Madness ) : the Gatekeepers, Technepandi, the Decadenti, Los Sangrientos, Hammer Security Response, the Pipers, the Golden Bull. The Decadenti and the Golden Bull are the groups I like the most out of these additional Nephandi sub-factions.

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