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  • #16
    Alright, I'm somewhat familiar with the rules, and the plan was to stick to the Camarilla core clans and go from there. Though what's the baggage with the Tremere? Is it cause of the Thaumaturgy discipline?

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    • #17
      Partially. Thaumaturgy is both powerful and mechanically complicated.

      Much like the clan. Tremere vampires have much less independence than pretty much any other Camarilla clan and are expected to toe the clan line, always appear as a unified front against outsiders, and never disrespect superiors. The Regent position, runs the cities local chantry, and competition for that position among them can be as fierce and complex as other kindred vying for the position of Prince. The clan has an extremely strict internal hierarchary, complicated politics, and more scheming than Frank Underwood. You could honestly run an entire Chronicle for the Tremere in one chantry and not run out of ridiculous drama, underhanded backstabbing and back patting. But never where anyone else can see it. Fledgling Tremere are often kept for ten years or more to learn the ways of the Cam and the Clan so they don't screw anything up. Even when you're introduced as an "independent" neonate, you're expected to sleep at the local Chantry, so they're always appraised of your activities and have their thumb hovering over you.

      Roleplaying a Tremere vampire requires a lot from a player. No other clan has Clan First, Camarilla Second, Self Last as their priorities.
      Last edited by Zanos; 02-13-2017, 04:07 PM.

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      • #18
        Yes, the Tremere really should have been an Independent Clan.

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        • #19
          - Remember that some Vampires are legitimately nice
          - Remember that some Vampires only SEEM legitimately nice
          - Remember that powerful NPCs will hide their "power levels" quite often; showing off your Elder Powers paints a sign for Diablerists
          - Remember that your Virtues can't be higher than your Humanity in terms of dice pools
          - Remember that your dice in Daytime are limited to your Humanity
          - Remember that meeting other Supernaturals isn't a common occurrence; if you read about Werewolves you might be tempted to include them. Cool! But be careful and include them for a reason.
          - Keep the NPC's views of the PCs in mind. If PC #1 causes a Masquerade breach, the Prince will look poorly on them in the future. That sounds harsh, but not killing them outright might have been lenient in some Prince's books.
          - Humanize your NPCs. Don't build Character Sheets on Legs, give them vulnerabilities and pride and arrogance and beliefs. Same goes for your PCs. For example, the Scary Elder in my game HATES Anarchs (the PCs are all Anarchs), however the reason for this is that his "blood-sister" (his Sire's other embrace) was murdered and diablerized by an Anarch despite having offered an honourable surrender; the hunger of the unruly rebels was so great that they ignored common decency and they devoured her. He hates the Player Characters, but there is some echo of a humanizing reason for this hatred, even after centuries of inhumanity and coldness his rage was born of love.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Aya Tari View Post
            Yes, the Tremere really should have been an Independent Clan.
            If the Tremere were independent they wouldn't really exist. The Tremere lasted more than a few decades because the Ventrue had so much on their plates that they needed an ally, and they felt like the Tremere would be easy to manipulate... and by letting them continue to exist, making them their allies, they let the Tremere get far too strong.

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            • #21
              Well, the Tremere managed to survive the 470 years between their founding and the Convention of Thorns. If the Tremere had not joined the Camarilla, the Lasombra and Tzimisce may have divided more evenly between the Camarilla and the Sabbat (the elder survivors of both groups may have felt more comfortable with the new Camarilla if the Usurpers had not been members of the Camarilla). Of course, the nature of the conflicts between the Camarilla and the Sabbat would have been completely different in that case.

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