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  • #16
    Originally posted by Aya Tari View Post
    It sounds like the type of character that fellow PCs will stake and bury in an unmarked grave after a few sessions. And no, you cannot have True Faith without Humanity 9+, so City Gangrel should not apply. Also, the KJ are calling, they are coming for your soul.
    "Not any more so than any other Kindred, mind you!"

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    • #17
      A perfectly acceptable character concept in a less than serious game. Fits right in with the gothic lolita necromancer who carries a scythe and only buys disciplines that let them animate hordes of zombies, or James Bond-as-Assamite concepts, or gonzo fleshsculptor Tzimisce artists, or eyepatch-wearing Lasombra who are permanently talking like it's talk like a pirate day everyday.

      So it's always a good idea to make sure everyone is on the same page when it comes to game tone when they're making characters.


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      • #18
        We've crossed the Event Horizon folks.

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        • #19
          How can you have True Faith in "The Beast" and not automatically waisail?


          If your character has occult as a knowledge then their source is legitimate. You no more can get away with "He doesn't really know his shit he just got it from Naruto" than trying that crap with Brawl or melee or stealth. Since he's got obten and it runs so completely off of Occult well clearly his weeaboo shit much be solid enough he can rape you with shadow tentacles right?

          Also this character needs to be female and only gain :"cute" animal features so she can be a mimi

          Or a Lasombra who survives in the face of all the Lasombra stuff because he's a fucking Ninja Believe it. Plus dominate lets him make people believe he's a ninja.
          Last edited by Lian; 03-10-2017, 09:52 PM.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by TidyGamer View Post
            A perfectly acceptable character concept in a less than serious game. Fits right in with the gothic lolita necromancer who carries a scythe and only buys disciplines that let them animate hordes of zombies, or James Bond-as-Assamite concepts
            Hey remember that time those happened in my game?


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            • #21
              Reminds me of a fishmalk I played years ago in a short campaign set in San Francisco who thought he was some kind of samurai-ninja. He really, really wanted to study Thaumaturgy but (fortunately) none of the Tremere were willing to teach him.

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              • #22
                I suspect the Go Kamisori Gama would also take issue with this character. I look forward to the inevitable clash of ninjas.


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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Lian View Post
                  How can you have True Faith in "The Beast" and not automatically waisail?


                  If your character has occult as a knowledge then their source is legitimate. You no more can get away with "He doesn't really know his shit he just got it from Naruto" than trying that crap with Brawl or melee or stealth. Since he's got obten and it runs so completely off of Occult well clearly his weeaboo shit much be solid enough he can rape you with shadow tentacles right?

                  Also this character needs to be female and only gain :"cute" animal features so she can be a mimi

                  Or a Lasombra who survives in the face of all the Lasombra stuff because he's a fucking Ninja Believe it. Plus dominate lets him make people believe he's a ninja.
                  1: Why would you? Believing that the Beast is a god unifying all Cainites, Werewolves and maybe even humans doesn't mean you automatically let it take over. That's like saying "if your true faith is in The Wyrm, why don't you succumb to its taint immediately?" Faith, as in True Faith, doesn't even require that the object of your faith be real. It's an odd quirk of the WoD that if you have genuine faith in something vaguely legitimate (the power of love, Allah, Ra, God, Ba'al) then you get the effects of True Faith. Now, will True Faith in the Beast heal orphans? No. Miracles of that sort of faith will be much darker and more primal, like finding your way out of a trap or finding a way to escape hunters.

                  2: In a jokey game, this doesn't matter. "He got it from Naruto" wouldn't fly in a normal game, no. As for his martial arts, he learned those legitimately, even if he does still Call His Attacks. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.ph...ingYourAttacks

                  3: Can we stop saying we "rape" people with our attacks? There are more eloquent ways to describe Obtenebration than "hentai but from the abyss", and describing it as rape just feels childish. And the system is a bit lackluster RE Occult; lets just say that someone with Occult, even if it's 1 dot stolen from a very superficial understanding of Chi and other mystical concepts (1 dot in Occult can just mean "knows the tarot" in western terms), then training in Obtenebration will involve learning the "conversion" of that Occult knowledge. If a Child of Osiris learns Obtenebration, and has Occult 5, they get their Occult 5 even though their Occult is knowledge of Egyptian mysticism and various gods etc.

                  4: That's a nice concept. I like the idea of him getting a fox tail for balance.
                  Last edited by 11twiggins; 03-11-2017, 05:01 AM.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Saur Ops Specialist View Post

                    "Not any more so than any other Kindred, mind you!"
                    Yeah, I don't think the KJ care. At all. Like if they encountered eachother and he was all "baka gaijin" at them then maybe they'd be marginally more keen to kill him than other vampires.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Aya Tari View Post
                      It sounds like the type of character that fellow PCs will stake and bury in an unmarked grave after a few sessions. And no, you cannot have True Faith without Humanity 9+, so City Gangrel should not apply. Also, the KJ are calling, they are coming for your soul.
                      - The point of this is to have fun. Obnoxious concepts can be funny in a light-hearted game if the character shares the spotlight. Their CHARACTER is obnoxious, but the player knows when to back off and let others have a go. And if everyone communicates their intent, the entire coterie should be similarly over the top.

                      - You can point at the V20 merit saying you need humanity 8 (I thought it was 8?) or higher, and I can point at long lists of books where this is ignored or outright denied. Tome of Secrets, for example, has True Faith in Set as a concept. STs just need to chat with their player about the requirements. Dark Faith, for example, has required you be on any Path other than Humanity in the past. So by those rules he could be at 5 in Path of the Beast at the start of the game to justify his True Faith. The issue with that is you miss out on the hilarious RP of him convincing a Gangrel on Beast to accept him.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by 11twiggins View Post

                        1: Why would you? Believing that the Beast is a god unifying all Cainites, Werewolves and maybe even humans doesn't mean you automatically let it take over. That's like saying "if your true faith is in The Wyrm, why don't you succumb to its taint immediately?" Faith, as in True Faith, doesn't even require that the object of your faith be real. It's an odd quirk of the WoD that if you have genuine faith in something vaguely legitimate (the power of love, Allah, Ra, God, Ba'al) then you get the effects of True Faith. Now, will True Faith in the Beast heal orphans? No. Miracles of that sort of faith will be much darker and more primal, like finding your way out of a trap or finding a way to escape hunters.
                        Because generally True Faith even in silly games the character actively works towards the ideal of it? Someone with Faith in the power of Love doesn't actively work against it. Even Road of the Beast actively works to sublimate it, to transform the Beast into an ally vs service to it. So how do you roleplay someone who have complete and utter faith in God... and says "nah fuck you I know better?"


                        2: In a jokey game, this doesn't matter. "He got it from Naruto" wouldn't fly in a normal game, no. As for his martial arts, he learned those legitimately, even if he does still Call His Attacks. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.ph...ingYourAttacks
                        I'm saying a Stat is a stat. If someone lets you buy occult 1 from watching Anime then that game is saying that superficial knowledge of the occult can be learned via watching anime in his game. Not "your character learned wrong shit".



                        3: Can we stop saying we "rape" people with our attacks? There are more eloquent ways to describe Obtenebration than "hentai but from the abyss", and describing it as rape just feels childish.
                        Other concepts you get to make this argument. Weeaboo Ninja with Obten gets Hentai jokes. All the Hentai jokes.


                        And the system is a bit lackluster RE Occult; lets just say that someone with Occult, even if it's 1 dot stolen from a very superficial understanding of Chi and other mystical concepts (1 dot in Occult can just mean "knows the tarot" in western terms), then training in Obtenebration will involve learning the "conversion" of that Occult knowledge. If a Child of Osiris learns Obtenebration, and has Occult 5, they get their Occult 5 even though their Occult is knowledge of Egyptian mysticism and various gods etc.
                        Most Sts aren't going to be anthropologists or masters of world folklore but rather going to be prone to taking their knowledge of the occult from rpgs and pop culture. Anime is a popculture and while Naruto isn't an Indepth study of it there's is symbolism that dates back to actual history along with "I made shit up because its cool"


                        4: That's a nice concept. I like the idea of him getting a fox tail for balance.
                        Only reason I suggest Lasombra is because they have all this shit and you'd have other members of the clan dealing with a combination of embarassment and respect at him surviving all their shit and going "Fuck you I'm a ninja" while gangrel are just not going to give a shit.

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                        • #27
                          Lian City Gangrel are much more pack-hunters, and much more social. They're going to be embarrassed by the whole Ninja thing, trust me. Lasombra more-so, yes, but I can't see the Archbishop (probably a Lasombra) not just tearing them in half and saying "please refrain from embracing any more of... whatever that was".

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                          • #28
                            As for the whole faith thing, the player agrees with the ST that they'll work towards it and stick to some overall guidelines, and actually RP being faithful. There's some trust there. The Humanity restriction is a crutch to make the system more managable, which also kills the system. What about my Sabbat Inquisition ex-Catholic-Priest who genuinely believes that his torture and murder of infernalists is exactly what Jebus wants him to do? True Faith should be perfectly common among Humanity 1 shit-heads, especially in the WoD where everything is supposed to be a few shades darker/greyer. Restricting True Faith to "good people" is a very optimistic and happy approach which belongs in D&D, in my opinion. The racist genocidal cultist who believes that God told him to destroy all those who don't follow his laws should be perfectly viable for True Faith. Should it differ mechanically from the True Faith of someone like Sullivan Dane? Of course! Mage even has a good system for this. "Happy" faiths allow you to lay hands and heal Aggravated damage in others, darker faiths let you inflict Aggravated damage by laying hands on someone. Then you have narrative and aesthetic differences in miracles. A miracle from Set might be a devout Nun being tempted by your seductions, while a miracle from God could range from "destroy these heretics" to "please let this poor couple have a baby". The actual existence of God and his nature has no bearing on how True Faith manifests. Practically every NPC with True Faith I can think of is a serial killer. Killer of Vampires? Yes, granted. Killing bad Vampires? Sure. But repeated murder of even monstrous Vampires, RAW, is a fast track to Humanity below 5.

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                            • #29
                              Well, Tome of Secrets is a V20 Dark Ages books, which is a different gameline than modern V20. If you are talking about modern Kindred, we are going to be referring to modern V20 rules, which specifically states in V20 core that True Faith require Humanity 9+. And I disagree that tortures, rapists, murders, etc should have any access to True Faith because it completely perverts the meaning of True Faith, which is that faith and virtue are rewarded with supernatural powers.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Aya Tari View Post
                                Well, Tome of Secrets is a V20 Dark Ages books, which is a different gameline than modern V20. If you are talking about modern Kindred, we are going to be referring to modern V20 rules, which specifically states in V20 core that True Faith require Humanity 9+. And I disagree that tortures, rapists, murders, etc should have any access to True Faith because it completely perverts the meaning of True Faith, which is that faith and virtue are rewarded with supernatural powers.
                                We're talking about a universe where God is canonically a douche-bag. True Faith is and should be a Supernatural Numina which is expressed in practically anything except a Demon, if they truly believe in something. If a Hunter has True Faith, and this relies on them having Humanity 9 or higher, then that's going to be impossible to maintain. Now you might say that the True Faith 9+ caveat is for Vampires only, and that might make some sense as it connects back to how well controlled your beast is, but your Humanity rating is not a measure of how well-chained your Beast is (despite many seemingly thinking that), and it is only indirectly connected to the Beast. Self-Control is a measure of your ability to keep the Beast under wraps, and it is limited by your Humanity rating, yes.

                                And let's be quite frank, if you make True Faith Humanity 9+ only, you aren't making the game fun, you're limiting someone's expensive power investment in quite an unfair way. Now I'm not saying the ST should never restrict Faith or take it away, your True Faith in Jebus won't do you much good if you proclaim your everlasting worship of the Dark One. I am saying that those with True Faith should have their own codes and systems of faith which are unique and individual. For some, killing another might be the greatest betrayal of their faith, for another they might be God's sword on earth sent to smite evil. Both require mature handling by the ST, who cannot act as a final arbiter of what is worthy of Faith. That's something that needs to be discussed. I personally think that if monsters stalked the earth with the power to drink others dry and mind control them, then I'd be quite partial to exposing them to nature's best disinfectant (sunlight). I think a game system which says "no, you're a bad person for killing those objectively bad monsters" (even if that's just my perspective, it doesn't even have to be true) "no True Faith for you since you're fallen below Humanity 9" is a dumb system. You're much better off discussing with a player what their Faith means and coming up with a broad idea of what they might do in certain circumstances, and talk about times where their Faith will fail. Someone sent to defend the weak will find their Faith has no impact on the approach of a creature who means them no direct harm for example.

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