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  • #46
    Originally posted by Malkavian87 View Post
    Revised Clanbook Malkavian is the best ever published on the Clan I think.
    In what ways would you say it is better than the first Clanbook Malkavian?

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    • #47
      Originally posted by Muad'Dib View Post
      Why are you recommending reading this? Can you say how it would help in roleplaying a Malkavian?
      It explains the causes and symptoms of mental disorders better then the game does.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by BurritoMage View Post

        It explains the causes and symptoms of mental disorders better then the game does.
        Why do you think so?

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        • #49
          Originally posted by Muad'Dib View Post
          In what ways would you say it is better than the first Clanbook Malkavian?
          They hadn't really figured out some of the Clans back in those earlier editions. The 1st Clanbook is all about what we now call fishmalks. Mental illness being funny instead of creepy or tragic.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Muad'Dib View Post
            Why do you think so?
            Because it's a medical journal, written by doctors.

            Isn't this getting off topic?
            Last edited by BurritoMage; 08-11-2017, 08:04 AM.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by BurritoMage View Post

              It explains the causes and symptoms of mental disorders better then the game does.
              I guess it's a good a book as any to go into it, but the "causes" section is kind of entirely irrelevant to Malks, who's derangements stem from a mystical blood curse rather than anything normal.

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              • #52
                Originally posted by Zanos View Post
                I guess it's a good a book as any to go into it, but the "causes" section is kind of entirely irrelevant to Malks, who's derangements stem from a mystical blood curse rather than anything normal.
                I've always been a proponent of the blood aggravating and already underlying issue. After all like attracts like in vampire.

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                • #53
                  Even the most solitaire and unorganized clans have a group social culture. Being not proclaimed catiff is very much a matter of knowing the right things taught by ones sire. A Catiff who can trace their hertige to Mithras but hey didn't end up with a feeding restriction well he's going to be a Ventrue, he knows how to fake it and no one's going to demand a blood test.

                  Random guy shows up with wierd powers claiming to be a bloodline you've never heard of? sound about right.

                  For the Most part Catiff will not have those options, why they are revealed as Catiff is the lack of teaching(or they don't go ugly as a nos but that's a different story)

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Lian View Post
                    For the Most part Catiff will not have those options, why they are revealed as Catiff is the lack of teaching(or they don't go ugly as a nos but that's a different story)
                    Which V:tM books would you recommend in regards to roleplaying a Caitiff?

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                    • #55
                      The Player's Guide? Caitiff are blank slates, they're just vampires.

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by Muad'Dib View Post
                        Which V:tM books would you recommend in regards to roleplaying a Caitiff?

                        "Time of Thin Blood" has really decent ideas about Caitiff, their alienation from vampire society and cool ideas like Cleavers or Dhampirs. The metaplot is bananas, but the rest is solit

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by Muad'Dib View Post
                          Which V:tM books would you recommend in regards to roleplaying a Caitiff?
                          There is a 2nd ed book called Outcasts: A Players Guide to Pariahs ‚Äčit has a chapter on Caitiffs.

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                          • #58
                            Lore of the Clans? It has a chapter on catiff their history, the broad situations they tend to fall into.

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                            • #59
                              Sires often sense there is something wrong with their Childe if they are Caitiff... definitely read that in a V20 book. They just... sense something.

                              If you want to be a Caitiff who slipped through the net, take Personal Masquerade as a merit. Your Sire didn't really think much of it, or wasn't sensitive to such things.

                              A Gangrel childe can have Protean, Fortitude, Animalism and the Gangrel Weakness (3 point flaw) but still be a Caitiff. The only mechanical deviation is that their Childer won't be Gangrel (and may seem nothing like Gangrel), and that they learn at 6x rather than 5x and 7x. There will be Caitiff who don't even know they're Caitiff, or are in denial.

                              Similarly, there are "Ventrue" who are pretending to have feeding restrictions, "Brujah" playing up their aggressive side and "Malkavians" having a bad night every few weeks.

                              Furthermore, there will be "Caitiff" who are mechanically actually a member of a Clan or Bloodline. Maybe they were just socially disowned. Maybe they just don't know what Clan they are, and were abandoned at the embrace and therefore presumed Caitiff.

                              So Caitiff is a complicated concept, as we have "biological" Caitiff and social Caitiff. The two often overlap, but not always.

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by Shawarbaaz View Post

                                It's evident, it's not a frenzy thing, Brujah are emotionally intense because the Beast is constantly clawing at their chest, threatening to lash out. This is why the Brujah are never meek, mild or shy. Every other Clan has a different kind of Beast, only responding to base desires and only concerned about feeding, killing and surviving. The Brujah's Beast is rooted on a deeper emotional level.
                                Every other clan? I recall a reference to Ravnos beasts whispering temptation at them. Being more sophisticated and cunning.

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