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  • #46
    Completely random and uninformed aside - is belief in "souleaters" as spirit beings possessing all users of Vicissitude and them some with some sort of mysterious agenda still a part of True Hand lore/culture/etc? To what degree? Any major changes in the subject's take or telling?

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    • #47
      Originally posted by Baaldam View Post
      Completely random and uninformed aside - is belief in "souleaters" as spirit beings possessing all users of Vicissitude and them some with some sort of mysterious agenda still a part of True Hand lore/culture/etc? To what degree? Any major changes in the subject's take or telling?
      Sort of, the concept has been "Revised" to the Asaakku; not all viscisitude users have succumbed, but the concept is similar.
      https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Asakku

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      • #48
        Originally posted by Illithid View Post
        Sort of, the concept has been "Revised" to the Asaakku; not all viscisitude users have succumbed, but the concept is similar.
        https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Asakku
        Basically, a cabal/conspiracy of Vicissitude-fetishists, which might be something more, if the proprietary path and Investment-esque special tricks it offers (Transmutations) serves as indication (supposing they actually exist in one's particular game). The urge to convert or destroy non-Asakku is curious too, if a little harder to swallow. Overall as given seems somewhat vague and bland, but the mechanical bits do open room for a ST to improvise one's own take of what/why would they be in the first place and such.

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        • #49
          Question - is something said about how the Tal'Mahe'Ra went from esoteric society/mystery cult exploring the occult to Gehenna/Antediluvian cult messing with sect politics and such?

          Because of late i've been thinking of adressing and toying a bit with those elements, how it seem to have twisted itself and actually lost direction some point in time, is universally accepted and no one seems to question when and how it happened (at least in previous editions, afaik).

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          • #50
            As the V20 Tel'Mahe'Ra supplement puts it, the Idran were tasked by Inauhaten with watching over Enoch and thus the course of Gehenna right from the point they got there. That's why the Idran created the Nagaraja-Bloodline to interact with Cainite society (without being blood bonded to any Antediluvians) and took up the task of manipulating from the shadows.

            The Idran were necromancers right from the start, but this was the core step in the creation of the Black Hand. The mystic cults and esoteric societies are just tools to be used in this quest to control the course of Gehenna. They are necessary, but never the core believe of the Black Hand. Also, most cults don't even know they're in bed with the Tel'Mahe'Ra. They just think they know this really cool dude (or whatever), who knows quite a lot about Cainite history, Lillian mysticism or whatever and follow them.

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