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  • #16
    Be unbondable!

    Ok that's a silly answer. More seriously the Camarilla has a number of specialized archons who's job this is. There are a number of unique techniques and combo discplines they do. So if you want to run this sort of game it might behoove you to have an elder Archon take him on teach him the ropes etc.

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    • #17
      Dominate 4 (Conditioning) could work well hiding commands within the spy's mind. Vinculum is not the same slavery of the blood bond. Especially at lower levels (less than 6 where you'll be willing to fight for them) working around isn't too difficult. After all if the Vinculum were always so strong Monomacy would be almost impossible because of Blood Feasts.

      A blood bond can remain effective because of how the Vinculum breaks bonds. According to V20 pg 289 for a Vinculum to break the bond the vampire cannot have more than one blood point in their pool and must ingest six vaulderie blood points. So long as the spy keeps his drinks small his bond should hold.

      The Combination Discipline mentioned is V20 Lore of the Clans pg 242- The False Drink (Auspex 1, Vicissitude 5) Combo Discipline.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Cynic01 View Post
        A blood bond can remain effective because of how the Vinculum breaks bonds. According to V20 pg 289 for a Vinculum to break the bond the vampire cannot have more than one blood point in their pool and must ingest six vaulderie blood points. So long as the spy keeps his drinks small his bond should hold.
        Originally posted by V20 pg 289
        "The Vaulderie can also corrode existing blood bonds. Multiple draughts of the Vaulderie may be required, but sooner or later, the pack‘s blood will overcome all but the most potent of vampiric vitae."
        It looks like the rules presented to break the bond are to instantly break it, otherwise it will still break in time.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Beckett View Post
          What I meant by faking drinking is to pretend to partake, contributing blood, going through the religious motions, put the cup to their mouths, and roll Self-Control to not Frenzy and drink, (like Diff 3 or 4 in most cases), and a Dex/Man + Stealth/Subterfuge check to act like they are drinking.
          The major problem with Dominate is that it is far too unreliable in this case. I mean, the Vaulderie was specifically designed to break the Blood Bond's and Dominate's hold on Childer during the Anarch Revolt. Dominate can't make you do or think anything against your nature, and the Vaulderie changes your nature, even if artificially.

          It doesn't do anything for dominate. Other uses of dominate could clear it all though.

          Fleshcraft is a bad idea; it could be noticed, but more importantly; if the neonate was a mass embracee - why change how they look; that is their reason to be accepted again.
          The Combo discipline to stop them drinking blood in a vaulderie requires the character buying the power and having Viscisitude 5 before that. Doesn't work for someone to put it in him.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by negZero View Post


            Why does he want to do such dangerous task. Cause the player wants to do it. Face facts Prince would gladly send fledging lasombra who showed on her door one night on such stupidly dangerous mission especially if he volunteer for it

            He knows about the Sabbat cause, its an all new player group and decided to show them all 3 of the major sects so they could choose which one they wanted to join
            That's why the player knows about it. But how does the fledgling character know about the Sabbat?

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Alucard View Post

              That's why the player knows about it. But how does the fledgling character know about the Sabbat?

              Read the quoted section again. Its new player group they don't know any of the sects really so I showed them in game each one

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Caitiff Primogen View Post

                The problem with faking is that drinking is part of the ritual and if any part of the ritual is done improperly the ritual fails.
                Source on that? Specifically that someone faking a drink would qualify as the ritual being enacted improperly to the consequence of failure.
                negZero Given that it requires a combination discipline to achieve a flap that can be turned on/off, it seems more-so convoluted since they would have to have a Tzimisce fleschcraft and un-fleshcraft the thing each time they wanted to feed.

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                • #23
                  Yah, I'm not familiar with a fake ruining the ritual. I could be wrong, but I think it is fine, if risky.

                  As far as Dominate, the Vaulderie does not counter it directly. Instead, what I mean is that it forces a very strong bond towards the Sect, (anyone who has done the Vaulderie with you, ever). Unlike the Blood Bond, Vaulderie does not fade over time or distance. Because of this, specifically the idea of fake memories and double blind agent may simply fail once the Vaulderie takes hold, or be much more difficult to pull off because of the artificial loyalty to the Sect, (very much putting them in danger and acting against inner nature).

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