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    I can't find a section in any of the books that dictate how nagaraja diablerize. I was thinking it would still have to drink, but do they need to do anything extra? Are there any sources for it as well because house rules.

  • #2
    Like everyone else.

    Feeding restrictions don't come into play when drinking supernatural blood. (Like Nagaraja and Ventrue)
    One version of Nagaraja require them to consume (Flesh Points) as well for nightly activities. Wouldn't change that either.

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    • #3
      Nothing extra as written or even implied. Their need to devour flesh is a wasting weakness, eating flesh undoes this wasting. No reason I would think that their rules for Diablerie vary at all.

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      • #4
        Yeah, the whole point of the Nagaraja weakness is them needing to consume a certain amount of flesh a night. That doesn't preclude them from also drinking blood like a regular vampire. They just have an extra dietary requirement. A Nagaraja can Diablerize someone just as readily as any other.


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        • #5
          kewlimp

          If for some reason you wanta Nagaraja npc to need to eat the flesh of a vampire to drink their blood, it should be pretty simple to work up a homebrew merit or flaw to do that. As a flaw, it would mean they need to physically consume the flesh of the victim as they perform the diablerie, thus requiring extra time. As a merit, it might mean they cannot be fed vampire blood against their will unless they are fed it as bloodsoaked vampire flesh. The latter may just be a version of the Unbondable merit which adds a rare instance in which they can be bound.

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          • #6
            If I were ST'ing, I would amp it up to eleven. People play nagaraja to eat meat, I say let them. Make them consume the Vampire whole. Rip the skin from their flesh, flesh from bone, and crack open the bones for marrow. Make it visceral, gruesome. Consume them until there is nothing left, neither body nor soul. After all, isn't that what Diablerie is supposed to be: ingesting everything the person was?

            Remember the golden rule: story before mechanics. If a Nagaraja wants to diablerize, let them tell a story with it. A gruesome, bloody, crunching story that will haunt players for weeks to come.


            Furthermore, I believe Carthage should be destroyed.

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            • #7
              Prior to V20, I'd have called into question whether Nagaraja were actually capable of diablerizing vampires of other bloodlines, as they didn't seem to operate under the Curse of Caine at all. (Not an issue with the new clarifications on how the bloodline originated, of course.)

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Nosimplehiway View Post
                kewlimp

                If for some reason you wanta Nagaraja npc to need to eat the flesh of a vampire to drink their blood, it should be pretty simple to work up a homebrew merit or flaw to do that. As a flaw, it would mean they need to physically consume the flesh of the victim as they perform the diablerie, thus requiring extra time. As a merit, it might mean they cannot be fed vampire blood against their will unless they are fed it as bloodsoaked vampire flesh. The latter may just be a version of the Unbondable merit which adds a rare instance in which they can be bound.
                In Lore of the Bloodlines, the narrator for the Nagaraja chapter says that some rumours about the Nagaraja paint them as cannibals who eat other Kindred as a way of inflicting final death. Her reaction implies that this is something she just considers distasteful, like eating rotten food.

                Nagaraja eat human flesh, to acquire Vitae, and they can also acquire Vitae from blood like all Kindred. Diablerie works normally for them. If a Nagaraja were to bite a chunk out of a Vampire, it would turn to ash in their mouth.

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                • #9
                  "Hey! Stop eating my hand!"

                  Uses Dominate. "I'm not eating your hand. Someone else is."

                  "Hmm, I wonder who. Why is your face covered in ash?"

                  Uses Dominate. "No reason."

                  Uses Dominate.

                  "My, God! Now my foot has gone missing!"

                  Uses Dominate. "Yeah. Chomp-chomp. It's a... burp... real mystery. I suspect the Tremere."

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Nosimplehiway View Post
                    "Hey! Stop eating my hand!"

                    Uses Dominate. "I'm not eating your hand. Someone else is."

                    "Hmm, I wonder who. Why is your face covered in ash?"

                    Uses Dominate. "No reason."

                    Uses Dominate.

                    "My, God! Now my foot has gone missing!"

                    Uses Dominate. "Yeah. Chomp-chomp. It's a... burp... real mystery. I suspect the Tremere."
                    Thats pretty close to the original pitch for the character. In tiajanna mexico, they are hundreds or more people who are missing parts of their legs or arms because the Ankle Biter. Now that he is back in the states, he's having to store fresh meat again. What the ST and I agreed to is he has to eat 10% of the vampire's flesh and their heart. Because of the intent, he's able to consume what he eats from another vampire. It's super gory and if he does it, he can't just walk out into the street as his face is covered in blood.

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                    • #11
                      So, here's my take.

                      It has always been that the soul of a vampire is housed within the Kindred's heart.

                      If a Setite performs the Serpentis Discipline: Heart of Darkness ... if he/she wanted to be a real jerk, could literally commit Diablerie by drinking the soul of another, right out of the heart in his or her hand [remember, destroying the removed heart instantly kills the vampire].

                      As such; a Nagaraja could commit Diablerie by consuming the heart of a Vampire it was feasting upon.

                      As pertaining to -- Nosimplehiway's -- comment on:
                      As a merit, it might mean they cannot be fed vampire blood against their will unless they are fed it as bloodsoaked vampire flesh. The latter may just be a version of the Unbondable merit which adds a rare instance in which they can be bound.
                      It is written in the book that to create a Bond [Blood Bond] all that is necessary is for the taste of a Kindred's Vitae to touch the tongue of a recipient. Ingestion is not required. So, a Vampire simply getting his or her blood into the Nagaraja's mouth would effectively create that Bond.

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                      • #12
                        A thread like this really shouldn't make me want to binge watch a couple seasons of Hannibal.

                        Though it would make for an interesting character and micro-culture study to figure out how Nagaraja's deal with consuming flesh. Most people just focus on a fanged maw tearing chunks off a fresh corpse or a screaming victim. Granted they can't "cook" the meat, but there are many examples of cultures having dishes that use raw meats in the finished product. When Nagarajas meet up do they engage in an iron chef or Shokugeki no Soma (Food Wars) style act of performance "cooking" as a show of hospitality to their guest clan mates?

                        As for the Diablerie concept, I would say it works the same as everyone else. Unless the Nagaraja is close to thin blooded and only chomping on similar neonates, most victims you would go through the trouble of eating to gain power are old enough that they would turn to dust upon death, thus drinking the blood and the soul is about all you would have to work with.

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                        • #13
                          For Creepy-Food try iZombie, they had Chefs as consultants to help with all of her Brain meals

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