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  • #31
    I think it's reasonable to assume some non-Giovanni know there is a connection between the Giovanni and the Milliners. Milliner NPCs in source-books, novels, and even the video game don't hesitate to use the last name "Milliner" as their name within kindred society. I'm not able to recall a specific instance of a Milliner using a pseudonym. Or am I mistaken?

    Surely, the Harpies of the Camarilla would eventually pick up on the pattern of some "Giovanni" being named Milliner. They might, at first, assume the Milliner name to be a purely local phenomenon. Once Harpies in multiple cities figure it out, however, they would likely share with Harpies throughout the Camarilla as quickly as possible.


    Discovering this may not even require conscious effort. All it would take is three Harpies gossiping at a Conclave who stumble across the topic:

    Seattle Harpie: "That puts me in mind of a Giovanni who was caught last year meddling with the coroner's office. The Prince put a stop to it, of course."

    Boston Harpie: "We discovered a Giovanni had diablerized a Caitiff fledgling in Malden. No one really cared about the Caitiff, per se, but it's important to uphold the rule of law, right? Even in Malden. So, the scourge made sure Barb Milliner, of the Clan of Death, is now able to do much more personal research into the nature of death. A Giovanni elder in Worcester signed off on the whole thing. He made some mild protests at first, of course. It was all very pro forma. In the end, he was quite reasonable about the whole affair."

    Memphis Harpie: "Bob Milliner, the Giovanni? Your scourge may have been duped. Bob owns a funeral home in West Memphis. Bought it with poker winnings from the casino on I-40. Just saw him and his wife last week, at a festival in Marquette Park. Nice enough couple, if a bit weird. Hard to see that guy as the diablerie type."

    Boston Harpie: "Not 'Bob'... 'Barb'. As in, 'Barbara'. She's a woman. Was a woman, rather."

    Seattle Harpie: "Hold on, now, did you say 'Milliner'? There's a Giovanni in Tacoma called George Milliner..."

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    • #32
      I wouldn't want people reading too much into my use of the name "Milliner." It was an example and doesn't imply anything regarding the direction of Clan Giovanni in V5.


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      • #33
        The Gentleman Gamer

        Well, yeah, except, reading too much into things is kind of what we do here.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Nosimplehiway View Post
          The Gentleman Gamer

          Well, yeah, except, reading too much into things is kind of what we do here.
          Fair enough!

          In V5 the Giovanni are completely consumed and replaced by the Milliners who are tired of that Venetian nonsense.

          Is it a lie? Time will tell.


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          • #35
            Originally posted by The Gentleman Gamer View Post

            Fair enough!

            In V5 the Giovanni are completely consumed and replaced by the Milliners who are tired of that Venetian nonsense.

            Is it a lie? Time will tell.
            Milliners eat all Giovanni and become Clan of Death. Nagaraja literally eat all Milliners and become Clan of Death.

            Nosferatu are all eaten by Nictuku, which start their bloodline called, you guessed it, Nictuku. Absimiliard isn't happy and starts a bloodline called Nosfelimiku to hunt down all Nictuku.

            Ventrue anarchs lead the assault to the elders. Most Ventrue elders are destroyed and the Ventrue clan leaves the Camarilla.

            Brujah stop being rebels 'cause Ventrue left. They take the lead in the Camarilla because irony.

            Gangrel never left the Camarilla but most go anarchs because reasons. They all join the Camarilla en masse again when their biker-buddies take the lead.

            Lasombra antitribu make alliance with the main clan and they all go indipendent together due to both Sabbat and bikers-Cam being too much uncivilized. Friendship of the Night.

            A third eye manifests in all Tremere foreheads one night. By decree of the seven elders of the clan the Tremere will be known from now on as the Salumere.

            A lot of Setites go anarch, kill a few methuselah of the clan and revive Set by accident. Set had enough of all that priests and rituals shenanigans and helps the anarchs to wipe out the elders of the clan, adopts the young and renames them the Get of Set.

            The Eldest shuts down Vicissitude. It doesn't work anymore. Beings altered by it are trapped in their current state. Any new Tzimisce will be hit by random alterations of bones and flesh when embraced, and will be forever trapped in that state. The clan adapts and learns Visceratika or Mytherceria as their new clan discipline. Because whatever.

            Alamut explodes due to reasons. And a nuclear attack. By Absimiliard. Because reasons. Assamites split in Vizimites, Sorcemites and Slaymites. Vizimites become Inconnu's spies, Sorcemites join the Sabbat and Slaymites join the biker-Cam.

            Week of Nightmares never happened. Ravnos are revelead to be not of indian origin. They are of australian aboriginal origin, tied to the dream world. Indian Ravnos were just a branch of the clan. Roma Ravnos were just a branch of the branch. Spanish Ravnos were just a branch of the branch of the branch. Maya Ravnos are just a branch of the branch of the branch of the branch.

            Week of Nightmares happens but it's a Malkavian thing. Most Malkavians are wiped out. A dude called Malkovian gives birth to his bloodline, hunts down all the Malkavians left, diablerizes Malkav and establishes the Malkovian clan. Sad.

            No one cares about the Toreador.


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            • #36
              Originally posted by Ravnos View Post

              Milliners eat all Giovanni and become Clan of Death. Nagaraja literally eat all Milliners and become Clan of Death.

              Nosferatu are all eaten by Nictuku, which start their bloodline called, you guessed it, Nictuku. Absimiliard isn't happy and starts a bloodline called Nosfelimiku to hunt down all Nictuku.

              Ventrue anarchs lead the assault to the elders. Most Ventrue elders are destroyed and the Ventrue clan leaves the Camarilla.

              Brujah stop being rebels 'cause Ventrue left. They take the lead in the Camarilla because irony.

              Gangrel never left the Camarilla but most go anarchs because reasons. They all join the Camarilla en masse again when their biker-buddies take the lead.

              Lasombra antitribu make alliance with the main clan and they all go indipendent together due to both Sabbat and bikers-Cam being too much uncivilized. Friendship of the Night.

              A third eye manifests in all Tremere foreheads one night. By decree of the seven elders of the clan the Tremere will be known from now on as the Salumere.

              A lot of Setites go anarch, kill a few methuselah of the clan and revive Set by accident. Set had enough of all that priests and rituals shenanigans and helps the anarchs to wipe out the elders of the clan, adopts the young and renames them the Get of Set.

              The Eldest shuts down Vicissitude. It doesn't work anymore. Beings altered by it are trapped in their current state. Any new Tzimisce will be hit by random alterations of bones and flesh when embraced, and will be forever trapped in that state. The clan adapts and learns Visceratika or Mytherceria as their new clan discipline. Because whatever.

              Alamut explodes due to reasons. And a nuclear attack. By Absimiliard. Because reasons. Assamites split in Vizimites, Sorcemites and Slaymites. Vizimites become Inconnu's spies, Sorcemites join the Sabbat and Slaymites join the biker-Cam.

              Week of Nightmares never happened. Ravnos are revelead to be not of indian origin. They are of australian aboriginal origin, tied to the dream world. Indian Ravnos were just a branch of the clan. Roma Ravnos were just a branch of the branch. Spanish Ravnos were just a branch of the branch of the branch. Maya Ravnos are just a branch of the branch of the branch of the branch.

              Week of Nightmares happens but it's a Malkavian thing. Most Malkavians are wiped out. A dude called Malkovian gives birth to his bloodline, hunts down all the Malkavians left, diablerizes Malkav and establishes the Malkovian clan. Sad.

              No one cares about the Toreador.
              One of these is true!


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              • #37
                Yeah I don't care about the Toreador.


                It is a time for great deeds!

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                • #38
                  Based on BJD, I'd say it's the Tremere one. Or, the Gangrel returning to the Cam (that's the most possible soft retcon, if the goal is to harkenback to the 1e feel and status quo, which seems to be goal, to some extent).

                  I care about the Torreador. It's just, it's interesting what they are doing and how they'll adapt, from a social (as they are the most close to actual human society, along with the Brujah) standpoint, not from a clan-politics-metaplot standpoint.


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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by The Gentleman Gamer View Post

                    One of these is true!
                    So it's true.
                    (Almost) no one cares about the Toreador.

                    Jokes aside I'm seriously hoping it's the Ravnos one. Not for the australian origin but for the idea of not belonging to a single culture identity and instead being a clan akin to the O7.

                    ...

                    ...

                    It's the Toreador one. Sigh


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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by PMárk View Post
                      Based on BJD, I'd say it's the Tremere one. Or, the Gangrel returning to the Cam (that's the most possible soft retcon, if the goal is to harkenback to the 1e feel and status quo, which seems to be goal, to some extent).

                      I care about the Torreador. It's just, it's interesting what they are doing and how they'll adapt, from a social (as they are the most close to actual human society, along with the Brujah) standpoint, not from a clan-politics-metaplot standpoint.

                      Maybe they could have instead emphasized that not all the Gangrel left, and had it over time the ones that stayed grew, while the ones that became independent often still stood in Camarilla and Anarch territory so they kind of were lumped into the Camarilla by default.


                      I wish we just kept the Week of Nightmares, the Assamite Schism, and the Gangrel exodus... The inconsistency on whether the Week of Nightmares happened had a ripple effect across all the 20th lines.


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                      • #41
                        I forgot to add (getting back on track), BJD has Angelique and others still calling themselves Cappadocians, and retaining their original clan flaw. They're somewhat distinct from the Harbingers, although at least one of them claims that the various 'divisions' within the clan are a ruse so that people don't realise how powerful the Clan of Death truly is.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by adambeyoncelowe View Post
                          I forgot to add (getting back on track), BJD has Angelique and others still calling themselves Cappadocians, and retaining their original clan flaw. They're somewhat distinct from the Harbingers, although at least one of them claims that the various 'divisions' within the clan are a ruse so that people don't realize how powerful the Clan of Death truly is.
                          Interesting. I remember before the Feast of Folly the Clan of Death was supposed to be particularly fertile and numerous, but then they pogromed everyone and they became a small clan closer in size to the Salubri. It would be interesting if they return to horde size.


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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Eldagusto View Post
                            Interesting. I remember before the Feast of Folly the Clan of Death was supposed to be particularly fertile and numerous, but then they pogromed everyone and they became a small clan closer in size to the Salubri. It would be interesting if they return to horde size.
                            I implied in BJD or Lore of the Bloodlines that the Clan of Death has gone through multiple purges, possibly more even than the Giovanni purge of the Cappadocians and the Cappadocian purge at the Feast of Folly. It's part of the Clan of Death's nature to cull, or harvest, and rebirth.

                            Does that mean the Harbingers or Samedi will swing the scythe at the Giovanni, or maybe the Rosselini or Milliners strike a blow at their masters to take the seat of power? Or maybe they can all work together to avoid their perpetual cycle of death?

                            Time will tell.


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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Ravnos View Post

                              A third eye manifests in all Tremere foreheads one night. By decree of the seven elders of the clan the Tremere will be known from now on as the Salumere.
                              Nah they will declare themselves Sorcerer Caste Salubri and that the whole "purge" was an elaborate use of Dominate.

                              Haquim will punch Saulot for stealing his shit.

                              Saulot will point out the whole Ur-shulgi Baali thing about stealing shit.

                              Haquim will shrug, and say "ever Antedeluvian goes out and makes the Baali at least once.. its a thing we all do...while drunk, or high when you come back from Asia as a weeaboo.."

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by The Gentleman Gamer View Post

                                I implied in BJD or Lore of the Bloodlines that the Clan of Death has gone through multiple purges, possibly more even than the Giovanni purge of the Cappadocians and the Cappadocian purge at the Feast of Folly. It's part of the Clan of Death's nature to cull, or harvest, and rebirth.

                                Does that mean the Harbingers or Samedi will swing the scythe at the Giovanni, or maybe the Rosselini or Milliners strike a blow at their masters to take the seat of power? Or maybe they can all work together to avoid their perpetual cycle of death?

                                Time will tell.
                                Sounds very interesting. Especially if the Cappadocians and the Giovani have some deeper connection than previously known, or seen, by the fanbase on the forums and if they still walk in the shadow of Cappadocius. Will look forward to more information on the matter.

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