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  • Can You Take It With You When You Go?

    Say your vampire has put a couple centuries or so behind them and is feeling world weary, or some tragic personal event shook them terribly. Ennui is coming on, and they feel like letting themselves fall into torpor, leaving the world behind for awhile. Or they're badly hurt enough that they can't help it. What should they do to protect all their stuff?

    Vampires acquire lots of things over time: antiques, mementos, real estate, etc. Not necessarily trustworthy friends, though. This is a conundrum if you take torpor into account. If you spend even a few years in torpor, how do you prevent your haven from being sold to some unwitting mortals? Your things from being auctioned out of whatever storage unit you put them in? Any ghouls you had certainly won't be there once you wake up, not after so long without their blood fix. For those who don't have trusted supernatural friends to manage their estates for them, what's a vampire to do?



  • #2
    When they wake up find a single rich person with a nice home. In a few days start buying back your old stuff.

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    • #3
      Step 1: Find someone suitable to embrace, and embrace them.
      Step 2: Put them in charge of managing your stuff.
      Step 3: ???
      Step 4: Profit!


      Furthermore, I believe Carthage should be destroyed.

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      • #4
        Going into torpor is certainly a good time for embracing a trustworthy ghoul as your caretaker. Other than that, it depends on the time span. For a few years, you can simply put your assets in a trust and pay someone to manage them - they don't need to know you're "dead", just make sure they have the autonomy needed not to ask you about every single thing. For a few decades, you might need a vampire, as with that time span, your assets may well become collateral damage for some political upheaval or natural disaster. For a century or more, forget it. Stash what's absolutely necessary in a place safe from any human intervention - an underground vault in the middle of a forest or something like it - and prepare to lose the rest.

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        • #5
          I think what clan the Cainite is would influence what means they have access to. For example, I imagine the Ventrue have estate planning firms specifically for dealing with such eventualities. The Giovanni, as well, probably have a number of ghouls to assist their family members. A Tremere might have something similar.

          But assuming being without those things, trusting another Cainite (that you know or have embraced) is probably the best thing if you can find someone good. That won't back stab you or die themselves. Eventually you'll have to put faith in something to ensure your possessions are cared for. Even hiring a human company to look after something has a degree of risk.

          And as Cifer said, there's always just hiding it somewhere. Bury a shipping container out in the desert or something. The most important thing will be the stuff that's easy to lose. But real estate you can always repurchase (or forcefully reacquire) upon awakening.

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          • #6
            The simplest approach is to consider the materials involved and the land available.

            First you want a secure warehouse/tomb built underground in a remote area. Then you only store stuff that can survive a few centuries without upkeep. Things like ceramics, stone carvings, solid gold bars, jewels, and perhaps containers of arcane substances. Basically think about what would survive a ship wreck on the bottom of the sea or very large lake.

            Things like metal weapons or armor theoretically could be stored but only once the scientific knowledge is available to know that you put them in a container of oil before going into torpor, and even then any leather wrappings or straps will probably be a lost cause given enough time. Modern weapons while usually immune to a lot of environmental factors in the short term, are susceptible to long term damage as the plastic parts become brittle.

            Between blood bonding, Dominate, Presence, and just plain old sneakiness, it really isn't that hard to regain titles to lands or control over organizations.

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            • #7
              While a wilderness cache is reasonable, there are risks. It can be difficult to predict what development may happen in the area. Think of Dubai, Mumbai, Kinshasa, Lagos, or anywhere along the coast in China. They make the explosive sprawl of Las Vegas, Orlando, and Los Angeles seem tame. Modern cities, and their outlying countryside, can sometimes seem like a game of SimCity, with all the cheats enabled. In effect, you are creating a treasure trove, and how that is handled when some random farmer or construction worker stumbles across it can be quite complex.

              Perhaps safer would be stashing valuables in a location humans have chosen to preserve for their own reasons. I'm thinking about buildings with landmark status, especially those that are too old for anyone to dare demolish, or buildings too expensive to replace. Cathedrals, museums, and monuments come immediately to mind. University buildings and regional parliamentary halls (if built prior to 1950 or so, when modern building codes became common) tend to have vast and complicated floor-plans where a spare closet, attic, or crawl space could easily evade notice.

              Ideally, the site should not be notable enough to merit scrutiny outside of "Is it still standing? Good!" So, Buckingham Palace, the Pentagon or the Taj Mahal probably have too much oversight. That much security could make retrieving your valuables difficult. So, using the British system as an example, lean towards Grade II buildings, rather than Grade I. Grade II properties are unlikely to be torn down to build a new carpark, but are equally unlikely to be under close scrutiny.

              If the items you are preserving are personal memorabilia, consider whether they are museum quality. Some items that were quite mundane when they were made may now be an item a museum or historical society would be interested in receiving as an extended loan or a gift. Small, regional, or narrowly focused special-interest museums tend to be less picky about what items they add to their collection if they lie within their specialty. Just be certain the museum has an adequate endowment.

              Either of these arrangements has the advantage of somebody, somewhere, having a more-or-less clear legal right to ownership over the items. Of course, this means when you awaken you'll need to steal it back from them, but it also means somebody has a vested interest in keeping the item safe. Even if they sell it, there is likely to be a paper trail which can be followed more easily than if you awaken to find the place where you buried that treasure chest now has a shopping mall on top of it.

              In effect, by aligning your interest in preserving a small collection of valuables and a few keepsakes with a human organization's interest in preserving their own treasures, you get them to assist you without their even knowing you exist. Of course, no method is perfect; such are the costs of immortality.

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              • #8
                Nosimplehiway
                Good points all around! That said, I think it's possible to find places that are extremely unlikely to be developed, like Chernobyl or France's Zone Rouge (which will be free from unexploded WW1 shells in about 700 years).

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                • #9
                  I have had an issue with this too. You could do the most uncertain thing, and let your childer shepherd things... that can get wonky with the blood bond and ghouls.


                  So I say at the very least Blood Sorcery can preserve ghouls, and possibly other disciplines/combos, I've had the idea of it essentially mummifying Ghouls into torpor. You could also have rituals to preserve antiques a room of art from entropy, I would probably have sunlight maybe dangerous to them though as the trade off.


                  It is a time for great deeds!

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                  • #10
                    Anne Rice does a good job of detailing this in the Vampire Chronicles books, and a lot of it revolves around 1) having your sleeping place far enough away from humans that it won't get interrupted, and 2) only dealing in money.

                    Marius and Lestat are the two biggest examples of this. Marius tended to invest primarily in keeping jewels and materials that could be traded for money in any time period, which served him quite well, as he sleeps with boxes of these things around so he can just take fistfuls of jewels and get cash in whatever era. In the modern era, Marius has invested in portfolios of art and has banks and essentially followed on Lestat's example (next).

                    The primary example is Lestat , who banks with a particular bank in France that has existed since early in his vampire life, and essentially only worries about money since he can always rebuy the things he likes/wants/needs, and has familial descent paperwork, and just lets the money accrue interest in the banks (he also has tons of jewels from Magnus' fortunes, and he pays his bankers handsomely). A little bit of compulsion here and there, and you have a pretty good way to do it.
                    Last edited by thebiglarpnerd; 07-07-2018, 09:33 AM.

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                    • #11
                      For small items (rings, cameos, a weapon) the easiest solution, now that I think about it, could just be keeping it on your person. This can also work for some amount of wealth, as well. Assuming you have found a large and secure enough place to enter torpor yourself, adding an extra few kilos of expensive commodities (like gold, diamonds, or jewelry) shouldn't be a problem. A one kilo bar of gold is worth about 40,000 US dollars at the moment. If you take a look at the size of bars, you could easily fit a few in even the snuggest sarcophagus.

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                      • #12
                        In a short enough time frame, there are various ways to deal with it legally through wills, legacies, trusts, foundations, and other legal arrangements. But those will break down the longer the vampire is in torpor. In a long enough time period no arrangements can last as even dominant human institutions get overthrown in revolution, war, and collapse. Not only do you have the situation of the Roman era vampire in Britain going into torpor in the 4th century wakening up centuries later in an Anglo-Saxon kingdom with completely new institutions and owners, you have the Russian vampire in St Petersburg going into torpor in 1905 with Tsarist Russia seemingly at its height and wakening up only twenty years later to find any arrangements he made totally invalidated because the Soviet Union exists.

                        The only thing that can truly guarantee specific physical items will be available to you when you awake from torpor is to have them physically present in your tomb or other concealed physical location that won't be disturbed by potential trespassers (and even that isn't guaranteed). The suggestions above which say to make sure you have X amount of precious metals and gems on you would be something that almost always helps you start again.

                        I think vampires eventually realize at some point that physical items, unlike them, are perishable and prone to be lost. They learn to let go of a lot of their physical possessions and any emotional attachment they may have. Of course, they might compensate for that by being incredibly possessive while they are up and about, and for certain items being obsessed with eventually getting them recovered from their new owners.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Black Fox View Post
                          I think vampires eventually realize at some point that physical items, unlike them, are perishable and prone to be lost. They learn to let go of a lot of their physical possessions and any emotional attachment they may have. Of course, they might compensate for that by being incredibly possessive while they are up and about, and for certain items being obsessed with eventually getting them recovered from their new owners.
                          This could also lead elder vampires to become quite the collectors of magical objects, given that they tend to survive the passage of time far better than mundane riches.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Thoth View Post

                            This could also lead elder vampires to become quite the collectors of magical objects, given that they tend to survive the passage of time far better than mundane riches.

                            This. I have a Tremere Primogen that I've used in a couple of different games who was this. He was an old Victorian gentleman whose house was a huge museum of cases and collections of magical artefacts. It was always a source of great fun when the PCs had to try to barter him into loaning them components and objects, and the one time they lost something (a magical mirror that reflected true forms), his wrath was fun to RP out.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Thoth View Post
                              This could also lead elder vampires to become quite the collectors of magical objects, given that they tend to survive the passage of time far better than mundane riches.
                              With the right Ritual (Or version of Quietus) even delicate items can be preserved against time.

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