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    As I understand iif a giovanni or other Necromancer wishes to acquire a new wraith servant they have to go looking for them, since there is only a small chance that a given mortal dying will actually become a Wraith . Is there a way that one can increase or guarantee the probability that a given mortal will become a race upon their death. It just doesn't seem to make sense that a race is only able to find them seemingly by random as compared to finding a suitable mortal and making sure they come back as a servant

  • #2
    Leer of Hades is a combination discipline from Lore of the Bloodlines does this. It requires Necromancy 2 and Serpentis 1 (so probably rather uncommon). But you look into someone's eyes and I think it ensures they will become a Wraith at death (probably a time limit).

    There might be a necromancy ritual for this sort of thing, not sure. But there are a lot of rituals and some path powers that are all about finding or summoning new wraiths, if not making them.
    Last edited by Monalfie; 09-13-2018, 10:54 AM.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Monalfie View Post
      Leer of Hades is a combination discipline from Lore of the Bloodlines does this. It requires Necromancy 2 and Serpentis 3 (so probably rather uncommon). But you look into someone's eyes and I think it ensures they will become a Wraith at death (probably a time limit).

      There might be a necromancy ritual for this sort of thing, not sure. But there are a lot of rituals and some path powers that are all about finding or summoning new wraiths, if not making them.
      I thought it was Sepentis 1, for the Eyes power? And some Harbingers know Serpentis due to the clan's history with the bloodline.

      And as a general rule, making sure a person is tormented and has unfinished business is a great way to maximise your odds.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by 11twiggins View Post

        I thought it was Sepentis 1, for the Eyes power? And some Harbingers know Serpentis due to the clan's history with the bloodline.

        And as a general rule, making sure a person is tormented and has unfinished business is a great way to maximise your odds.
        Yes, 1. Sorry, just a typo.

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        • #5
          Well with the Necro 2 Serpentis 1 combo, it would be quite simple for a Necromancer to generate many, many Wraiths. Good thing the Giovanni don't have it!

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          • #6
            Leer of Hades only works on Vampires according to that combo and is used by the Harbinger of Skulls as either a reward or a punishment. Unless you plan on taking out a lot of Kindred after you've interacted with them it's not going to be very helpful for getting an army of Wraiths


            "The only consistent wisdom is in knowing you know nothing" ~ Socrates

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            • #7
              The necromancer must successfully fix another vampire with The Eyes of the Serpent up to one week prior to that vampire’s Final Death. The gaze of the necromancer is burned into the soul of the vampire, and if she dies within the week, the night following her death will see her reconstituted as a wraith in the necromancer’s presence. The wraith is not bound to service, unless separate powers are used.

              vampires only. Need normal mortals. It stands to reason that it would be a simpler affair

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              • #8
                Originally posted by 11twiggins View Post
                And as a general rule, making sure a person is tormented and has unfinished business is a great way to maximise your odds.
                Unfinished business is a good start, tormented very, very definitely isn't, unless you're looking to create a Spectre.

                Originally posted by Imthestein View Post
                Leer of Hades only works on Vampires according to that combo and is used by the Harbinger of Skulls as either a reward or a punishment. Unless you plan on taking out a lot of Kindred after you've interacted with them it's not going to be very helpful for getting an army of Wraiths
                Not very helpful indeed, actually. Vampires that become wraiths have a tendency to meet quite a few of their victims and "vanquished" enemies on the other side - only now the other guys are the ones with the time advantage in getting used to their new powers.

                Originally posted by g3taso View Post
                vampires only. Need normal mortals. It stands to reason that it would be a simpler affair
                Why? Vampires are already beyond death. Mortals are not.

                Wraiths are not lesser supernaturals. They're roughly on the same power level as vampires. Attempts to create them by another class of supernatural entities should be difficult and may well consist of mundane methods: Choose candidates with exceptionally strong will (there are no self-aware wraiths with less than 5 WP), make sure they are strongly attached to several things in their life and... engineer their passing.
                Last edited by Cifer; 09-14-2018, 03:54 PM.

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                • #9
                  Not exactly a humanity-builder huh


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                  • #10
                    Path of Bone 4 Soul Stealing allows a Giovanni to remove the soul from the body. The soul is chained to the body(fetter) and vampire should have the name as well already from the id in the wallet. The wraith exists but only for a few hours as per successes.

                    Unless you imprison it with Sepulcher 4.

                    Minitra di Morte a ritual allows you to eat a seizable piece of corpse and determine if it became a spirit or specter.

                    Step 1: Dig up corpse, read the grave stone for name, harvest fingerbones and lower legs or arms.

                    Use Minestra di Morte and eat leg, repeat step one until you learn of a spirit.

                    Step 2:Ritual of unearthed fetters uses said corpse finger bone to point to actual fetters of the spirit. Once acquired use witness of death,(idk if u can see them otherwise.)

                    Step 3:summon ghost with name and fetters then command with Sepulcher 3 at -2 diff.

                    Step 4:Enslaving- This is the catch. They are sentient and must be broken or bargained with. Exaggerate your power level, force them to stay immobile for months, threaten fetters, threaten with oblivion, and make serving you look like the best option, offer aid, sustenance etc. To keep and protect fetters. But don't let them pass on by achieving their goal.

                    All that is a storyline in itself though. The more research you do the better you can influence it without having to resort to conflict. Which can be deadly for the Necromancer.

                    Edit: As for making sure a mortal becomes a wraith on death, the only way I believe would be for them to have Willpower 5 and to die in some form of extreme conditions. But even that isnt guaranteed it just increases the chance. Killing them for other rituals like hand of glory might count as extreme.
                    Last edited by Talvas; 09-13-2018, 10:39 PM. Reason: I didnt exactly answer the question

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Imthestein View Post
                      Leer of Hades only works on Vampires according to that combo and is used by the Harbinger of Skulls as either a reward or a punishment. Unless you plan on taking out a lot of Kindred after you've interacted with them it's not going to be very helpful for getting an army of Wraiths
                      Ah, forgot that part. I assume you could just embrace the person before killing them.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by 12dollarburrito View Post
                        Not exactly a humanity-builder huh
                        That's what Path of Bones is for.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Talvas View Post
                          Edit: As for making sure a mortal becomes a wraith on death, the only way I believe would be for them to have Willpower 5 and to die in some form of extreme conditions. But even that isnt guaranteed it just increases the chance. Killing them for other rituals like hand of glory might count as extreme.
                          Beat them to death with their own Thighbone?

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