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  • LimeFlavored
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    Originally posted by Chaifi View Post
    If you are going to take it 5, just take it to 3 and use the 2nd generation......

    http://whitewolf.wikia.com/wiki/Second_Generation
    You have the right idea... I used the 5 for the 2nd Generation and that led to the 13-ish for the 3rd Generation. I'm moving in a different direction with all of this, though, as I was making the process WAY too complicated.

    Originally posted by Hermeticus View Post
    So far my origin idea is that the first vampire's identity is unknown, but the fact that he/she had five childer from whom the clans descend is known across the world, and the 5 clans have many names in many languages and are not specifically Euro-centric in concept. If PCs want an origin story, I have in mind to start the chronicle after a site with 5 VERY ancient tombs full of magical symbols is found in Polynesia... Just to take vampire origins out of the region of interest of Abrahamic myths and have more creative fun. Cainites, Laibon, Wan Kuei and Drowned Legacies can keep believing what they want, though, about the geographical origin of the first. They're just wrong, that's all.
    I sent you a PM... I'd like to talk.

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  • Hermeticus
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    I was doing exactly the same thing two nights ago (I posted something about in the Requiem section of the forum), although then I took another direction and rewrote blood magic and the covenants.

    The basic system I used was to group Masquerade clans depending on which unique disciplines of the Requiem clans they had. Ex.: clans with Auspex are bloodlines of the Mekhet, clans with Dominate are bloodlines of the Ventru, etc.

    The issue are clans with two requiem unique disciplines, like Tremere (Auspex+Dominate) or Toreador (Auspex+Presence/Majesty), plus the requiem Nosferatu since nobody has Nightmare in Masquerade. But I'm sure you can work some way around this, and nothing prevents a bloodline from having, among their 4 in-clan disciplines, 2 unique ones. Some bloodlines in the Requiem books have that. You just have to decide what the bloodline story is and what's their relation to the requiem clans with those unique disciplines. Ex.: are the Toreador a Mekhet or Daeva bloodline? DUe to their concept, they're likely a Daeva bloodline. Some ancestor of theirs (the bloodline founder) must have picked up Auspex at some point to better enjoy beauty and then managed to pass it on to his children. Are the Tremere Ventru or Mekhet? They might just be a group of mages who managed to kidnap both mekhet and ventru for their experiments to become vampires, eventually getting both disciplines. Given that Tremere are both into secrets and control, it's really up to you whether their childer are mekhet or ventru until they reach blood potency 2 and which vampires can join the bloodline. In the specific case of the Tremere, though, a group of blood magicians from all clans who undergo a ritual binding them to the group elders is also a viable option.

    I'm not sure what to do with the Requiem Nosferatu. They're so cool, but I don't know who to put with them in terms of Masquerade clans.

    So far my origin idea is that the first vampire's identity is unknown, but the fact that he/she had five childer from whom the clans descend is known across the world, and the 5 clans have many names in many languages and are not specifically Euro-centric in concept. If PCs want an origin story, I have in mind to start the chronicle after a site with 5 VERY ancient tombs full of magical symbols is found in Polynesia... Just to take vampire origins out of the region of interest of Abrahamic myths and have more creative fun. Cainites, Laibon, Wan Kuei and Drowned Legacies can keep believing what they want, though, about the geographical origin of the first. They're just wrong, that's all.

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  • Chaifi
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    If you are going to take it 5, just take it to 3 and use the 2nd generation......

    http://whitewolf.wikia.com/wiki/Second_Generation

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  • Kael03
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    I think they made Dracula a Tzimisce because the real Vlad Tepes was a sadistic sociopath that had little regard for human life during his reign, which fit the Tzimisce profile perfectly.

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  • Cadmiumcadamium
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    I always figured the Tzimisce to be analog to a subgroup of Gangrel. As in the savage Noble. Dracula for example should've been a Gangrel in VtM rather than a Tzimisce. At least in my opinion.

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  • False Epiphany
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    Originally posted by LimeFlavored View Post
    Daeva for Brujah (really?)
    Brujah are passionate and charismatic figures who draw mortals like moths to a flame. Requiem Daeva are sex magnets who draw mortals like moths to a flame. Their brand of appeal is different, but they appeal rather than repulse (Nosferatu), command (Ventrue), hide from (Mekhet), or ignore (Gangrel). They even share the same Discipline spread.

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  • LimeFlavored
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    Originally posted by False Epiphany View Post
    I'd also revise Noddist lore to give Caine five childer, one from each "overclan." Irad is Gangrel, Enoch is Ventrue or Mekhet, the Crone is Nosferatu, and Zillah is Daeva or Mekhet.
    I'm going to let a little bit out of the bag, there is 5 "trunk" childer which'll expand into the 13 "branches." Sects will be the smaller "twigs" (to perpetuate the tree metaphor I'm using) as they'll be made up of the clans. I'm swaying from the Judeo-Christian origin by using a progenitor that will have Caine as one of the trunks...

    I did like the term "overclan" though.

    Originally posted by False Epiphany View Post
    Brujah - Daeva
    Gangrel - Gangrel
    Malkavian - Mekhet
    Nosferatu - Nosferatu
    Toreador - Daeva
    Tremere - Mekhet highlights to their knowledge-seeking side, Ventrue their domineering side.
    Ventrue - Ventrue

    Assamite - Mekhet
    Giovanni - Mekhet or Ventrue. The Giovanni are more Ventrue than Mekhet, but the Cappadocians are more Mekhet than Ventrue.
    Ravnos - Daeva highlights their "charming devil" side (Majesty nicely subs for Chimerstry), Gangrel their outcast wanderer side. They share 2/3rds of the same Disciplines.
    Setite - Daeva or Mekhet are both great fits. Daeva portrays them as tempters, Mekhet as lorekeepers.

    Lasombra - Mekhet or Ventrue. Mekhet for their "power behind the throne" angle, Ventrue for their domineering angle.
    Tzimisce - Ventrue or Nosferatu. Ventrue plays up their aristocratic roots, Nosferatu how horrifying they are.
    Daeva for Brujah (really?), Toreador, and possibly Ravnos and Setites.

    Gangrel for Gangrel, and possibly Ravnos.

    Mekhet for Malkavian, Tremere, Assamite, and possibly Giovanni and Lasombra.

    Nosferatu for Nosferatu and possibly Tzimisce.

    Ventrue for Ventrue, possibly Giovanni, possibly Lasombra, and possibly Tzimisce.

    I think that unbalances things a little... but maybe I'm looking at the balance thing wrong... if Nosferatu's founder was truly unhappy with their situation, would they want to pass it on to many others in different forms? I do think the Gangrel founder would embrace more than one "branch" founder.

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  • False Epiphany
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    Brujah - Daeva
    Gangrel - Gangrel
    Malkavian - Mekhet
    Nosferatu - Nosferatu
    Toreador - Daeva
    Tremere - Mekhet highlights to their knowledge-seeking side, Ventrue their domineering side.
    Ventrue - Ventrue

    Assamite - Mekhet
    Giovanni - Mekhet or Ventrue. The Giovanni are more Ventrue than Mekhet, but the Cappadocians are more Mekhet than Ventrue.
    Ravnos - Daeva highlights their "charming devil" side (Majesty nicely subs for Chimerstry), Gangrel their outcast wanderer side. They share 2/3rds of the same Disciplines.
    Setite - Daeva or Mekhet are both great fits. Daeva portrays them as tempters, Mekhet as lorekeepers.

    Lasombra - Mekhet or Ventrue. Mekhet for their "power behind the throne" angle, Ventrue for their domineering angle.
    Tzimisce - Ventrue or Nosferatu. Ventrue plays up their aristocratic roots, Nosferatu how horrifying they are.

    I'd also revise Noddist lore to give Caine five childer, one from each "overclan." Irad is Gangrel, Enoch is Ventrue or Mekhet, the Crone is Nosferatu, and Zillah is Daeva or Mekhet.

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  • Kael03
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    As bloodlines can be more extreme and different from their parent clans, I would use them as deviants and expand from there. I mean, the Harbingers of Skulls and possibly Samedi are related to the Giovanni, but I wouldn't necessarily out them under the same umbrella group.

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  • LimeFlavored
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    Do you have any ideas on putting Bloodlines in or should I just look at what is out there as "deviations" and expand from there?

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  • Kael03
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    The Malkovians were Ventrue vampires that succumbed to a disease that gave them access to Dementation. The Ventrue overall were originally more susceptible to derangements, then were given dice penalties if their touchstone is unavailable.

    Otherwise, like I said before, I would put the settites under the Mekhet group, as both are more vulnerable to sunlight and fire.

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  • LimeFlavored
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    Originally posted by Kael03 View Post
    I would move the Malkavians to the Ventrue umbrella, as their VTR v1 weakness was insanity related, and the followers of set to the Mekhet, as their weakness is identical. Lasombra could fit under Nosferatu, with the whole Abyss link dealing with fearing things that go bump in the night.
    I know VtR had Malkavians (Malkovians) under Ventrue, but I thought the insanity was a side effect (in this line of thinking).

    The Lasombra, I can see, being under the Nosferatu umbrella...

    Otherwise, are my segments sound? Anyone else?

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  • Kael03
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    I would move the Malkavians to the Ventrue umbrella, as their VTR v1 weakness was insanity related, and the followers of set to the Mekhet, as their weakness is identical. Lasombra could fit under Nosferatu, with the whole Abyss link dealing with fearing things that go bump in the night.

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