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  • V5 Tremere Clan Question

    With the happenings of V5, and the fracturing of the clan into three distinct houses. Their blood bound system shattered. What is the real make up of the clan now? With Tremere (Or just his body) and the inner circle destroyed in the SI attack on the chantry. What is the generation make up of the surviving Tremere leadership?

    Tremere was the only 3rd generation. So the inner circle had to be 4th generation if they where sired by Tremere but most had to diablerize to get to that level so its possible they where made up of 4th and 5th gens. They were not the only vampires there of course so many other Tremere were slain in that attack. So would the highest level of Tremere be a few 5th generation? Maybe Goratrix at 4th gen. What about the other two houses? If this clan, distrusted as they where, are lead by a handful of 5th gens at best, 6th gens most commonly.

    What makes me curious is, with all they have done to exterminate the Salubri, the blood curse on the Assamites, the stealing of blood from the Tzimisce, the Gargoyles and what they did to form those vampires. It just seems to be there are a lot of enemies going to notice that Tremere have metaphorically been shot in the head and are a little woozy. I can't see Ur-Shulgi passing up the chance to hit them with everything his faction has left to take down these monsters who have been plaguing his clan for centuries. And given his 4th gen status and how quickly he broke the blood magic, he is not someone to play with.

    So how strong is the clan in these modern nights?

  • #2
    Hello,

    In V5, Tremere are split in three Houses :
    House Tremere lead by Karl Schrekt a 5th generation Tremere
    House Carna lead by Carna a 8th generation Tremere
    House Goratrix lead by : ? I don't know at this time.

    The Pyramid has been shattered but wath come after is new blood :
    House Tremere is build from the original clan and follow the Old way of Clan Tremere.
    House Carna is build from vampire that want to be free from Pyramid and from other vampire magic pratitionner that don't follow the traditional ways of Clan Tremere.
    House Carna recruite outside from people usually enlist by Tremere.
    House Goratrix is an Unknown (for me at least) as Tremere Antitribu have dies, so it may be build from Antitribu survivors and Magic pratitionner from other source like Tzimisce or Assamite Sorcerer fleeing Ur-Shulgi. (Only guess from my part).

    So, the Pyramid is shatter but Tremere have far more way to progress in the current night : More target to enlist, more open mind from some of the member...

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    • #3
      Indications are that House Goratrix is still led by Goratrix. Which is, from all indications, still Tremere in Goratrxi's body per Revised.

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      • #4
        There's also Autarkis Tremere, the Ipsissimus detailed in the Amarchs book

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        • #5
          Well the houses of Tremere and Carna are both Cam as far as I understand. But the question was meant to answer was how strong at they now fractured as they are. Especially with so many enemies looking for cracks in this clan that has always been so rushed and well protected

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          • #6
            Tremere Unified was a contender for taking over the Cam and even toppling the Ventrue in like the next century. Fractures, they are just another group.


            It is a time for great deeds!

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            • #7
              Originally posted by TheLastSane1 View Post
              Well the houses of Tremere and Carna are both Cam as far as I understand.
              Carna are Anarch, or at least hiding out in the Anarch Free States.

              And the Tremere, over all, are still in the process of collapse and changing into something new.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Grumpy RPG Reviews View Post

                Carna are Anarch, or at least hiding out in the Anarch Free States.

                And the Tremere, over all, are still in the process of collapse and changing into something new.
                Actually, House Carna is still Camarilla. They may deal with the Anarchs but they haven't changed sects. Main reason seems to be that Carna is terrified of Tremere punishing her for breaking free from the main clan and its blood bonds. No one seems to know that Tremere is in Goratrix's body. As for the extent of House Carna, the inquisition notes reveal that the house operates as smaller cells that have spread far and wide. So House Carna could well be global now.

                How strong are the Tremere? Thats a question we honestly don't know. They no longer have the political clout to oppose the Assamites from joining. The houses do seem to make a show of unity despite their differences though. The idea that the Tremere were going to directly control the Camarrilla was probably more Venture paranoia then reality. What has changed is that the Tremere have somewhat lost their position as top Advisors to princes. So now you see others rising to those positions such as the new Cam Lasombra.

                Theres no hint that the Tremere are on the verge of collapse or that their enemies are wiping them out. So clan Tremere isn't going anywhere. They are mostly restructuring themselves which has come at the cost of influence within the Camarilla.
                Last edited by Wissenschaft; 12-17-2018, 06:30 PM.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by TheLastSane1 View Post
                  Tremere was the only 3rd generation. So the inner circle had to be 4th generation if they where sired by Tremere but most had to diablerize to get to that level so its possible they where made up of 4th and 5th gens.
                  They actually all had to. Tremere never sired - probably so noone could use his progeny as a ritual link towards him.

                  Originally posted by TheLastSane1 View Post
                  What makes me curious is, with all they have done to exterminate the Salubri, the blood curse on the Assamites, the stealing of blood from the Tzimisce, the Gargoyles and what they did to form those vampires. It just seems to be there are a lot of enemies going to notice that Tremere have metaphorically been shot in the head and are a little woozy. I can't see Ur-Shulgi passing up the chance to hit them with everything his faction has left to take down these monsters who have been plaguing his clan for centuries. And given his 4th gen status and how quickly he broke the blood magic, he is not someone to play with.

                  So how strong is the clan in these modern nights?
                  The Tremere are definitely weakened. Then again, Ur-Shulgi has just lost half his clan - and the other half can't act openly against the Tremere, though the Camarilla sourcebook strongly suggests that it was them who handed the SI the location of the Vienna Chantry. The Tzimisce have bigger squid to fry, what with all the actual Antedeluvians. And the Gargoyles are mostly content to stay in isolation - and might even be too isolated from Camarilla society to notice the change.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Grumpy RPG Reviews View Post

                    Carna are Anarch, or at least hiding out in the Anarch Free States.

                    And the Tremere, over all, are still in the process of collapse and changing into something new.

                    Some of them are Anarch, but Carna herself in the core book says the majority is currently Camarilla, but that may change in the future. V5 core, pg. 94, in the intro text between Carna, Schreckt and the Goratri representative.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Cifer View Post
                      They actually all had to. Tremere never sired - probably so noone could use his progeny as a ritual link towards him.

                      The Tremere are definitely weakened. Then again, Ur-Shulgi has just lost half his clan - and the other half can't act openly against the Tremere, though the Camarilla sourcebook strongly suggests that it was them who handed the SI the location of the Vienna Chantry. The Tzimisce have bigger squid to fry, what with all the actual Antedeluvians. And the Gargoyles are mostly content to stay in isolation - and might even be too isolated from Camarilla society to notice the change.
                      It doesn't really strongly suggest it was the Assamites so much as thats a guess of one of their visors. Honestly, it could easily be Tremere himself who had the prime chantry targeted. Eliminate the leadership that may have fallen under sway of Salout and also break the mystical clan bond to prevent Salout from influence anymore of the Clan.

                      As for Gargoyles, they can be pretty mercenary and so some are even willing to work for clan Tremere and the Cam as long as they are payed.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Wissenschaft View Post

                        It doesn't really strongly suggest it was the Assamites so much as thats a guess of one of their visors. Honestly, it could easily be Tremere himself who had the prime chantry targeted. Eliminate the leadership that may have fallen under sway of Salout and also break the mystical clan bond to prevent Salout from influence anymore of the Clan.

                        As for Gargoyles, they can be pretty mercenary and so some are even willing to work for clan Tremere and the Cam as long as they are payed.

                        There was something posted elsewhere that linked the talk of Schreckt in BJD about destroying the worm and the brainwashed council to the leaking of information, to some of the talk in the V5 corebook, heavily implicating that it was an inside job by other high-ranking Tremere to get rid of the SauloTremere worm.

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                        • #13
                          Some notes.

                          Tremere himself did Embrace, once: Grimgroth. But it's safe to assume he's nice and crispy as of V5 along with the rest of the Council. The Pyramid was mostly Saulot's doing as its means for controlling the clan, and most of the Council had been brainwashed by Saulot to do its doing. With Tremere active and free, the Council had to go as a necessary step to liberate the clan as a whole. BJD also implies to a certain extent the rise of House Carna was also Tremere's doing, for whatever end -- likely, to decentralize the clan as a means to prevent wholesale compromise (again).

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Theodrim View Post
                            Some notes.

                            Tremere himself did Embrace, once: Grimgroth. But it's safe to assume he's nice and crispy as of V5 along with the rest of the Council. The Pyramid was mostly Saulot's doing as its means for controlling the clan, and most of the Council had been brainwashed by Saulot to do its doing. With Tremere active and free, the Council had to go as a necessary step to liberate the clan as a whole. BJD also implies to a certain extent the rise of House Carna was also Tremere's doing, for whatever end -- likely, to decentralize the clan as a means to prevent wholesale compromise (again).
                            What is BJD?

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Zennis View Post

                              What is BJD?
                              Beckett's Jyhad Diary.


                              Scion 2E: What We Know - A wiki compiling info on second edition Scion.

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