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  • #46
    Originally posted by CTPhipps View Post
    Poor Talley gets targeted by people who assume, for example, he's a Sabbat loyalist.
    Are those persons targetting Talley unaware that he is trying to bring the Lasombra into the Camarilla ; or they know, but they think that he is doing this dishonestly, or with some the interests of the Sabbat as the end goal ?

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    • #47
      Originally posted by Muad'Dib View Post
      Are those persons targetting Talley unaware that he is trying to bring the Lasombra into the Camarilla ; or they know, but they think that he is doing this dishonestly, or with some the interests of the Sabbat as the end goal ?
      They just know he's a Sabbat elder and that the Camarilla wants Sabbat Elders so they can defect. So Talley as soon as he's returned from his secret mission gets jumped virtually every day once the price is made public.

      Because, obviously, no one is advertising what Lasombra are defecting or not.


      Author of Cthulhu Armageddon, I was a Teenage Weredeer, Straight Outta Fangton, Lucifer's Star, and the Supervillainy Saga.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by CTPhipps View Post

        They just know he's a Sabbat elder and that the Camarilla wants Sabbat Elders so they can defect. So Talley as soon as he's returned from his secret mission gets jumped virtually every day once the price is made public.

        Because, obviously, no one is advertising what Lasombra are defecting or not.
        Do the attackers at least ask Talley if he is defecting or not, right before ( or during ) attacking him ?

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        • #49
          Originally posted by Muad'Dib View Post
          Do the attackers at least ask Talley if he is defecting or not, right before ( or during ) attacking him ?
          These are Sabbat attacking one of the most dangerous killers on the planet so...no.



          Talley himself takes it in stride.


          Author of Cthulhu Armageddon, I was a Teenage Weredeer, Straight Outta Fangton, Lucifer's Star, and the Supervillainy Saga.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Muad'Dib View Post
            Do the attackers at least ask Talley if he is defecting or not, right before ( or during ) attacking him ?
            These are vampires we're talking about. Half of them probably wouldn't even care if they knew he was defecting - he's their ticket to greener pastures, end of story.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by Cifer View Post
              These are vampires we're talking about. Half of them probably wouldn't even care if they knew he was defecting - he's their ticket to greener pastures, end of story.
              Within this reasoning ( which I agree with to an extent ) - if they stake or kill a Lasombra Elder and it turns out that she ( or he ) wanted to join the Camarilla, they might not fulfill this condition at all, and maybe be refused membership in the Camarilla. Targetting a Lasombra who wants to defect is not much proof of loyalty to the Camarilla, if the Sect loyalty of the Elder is known or will be known later. Thus I think most Lasombra defectors would ask or try to find out beforehand if the Lasombra Elders they are targetting plan to defect.
              Also - how are Camarilla Vampires supposed to know which Vampires are Lasombra defectors who staked or killed an Elder, and which ones are Sabbat Lasombra who staked or killed an Elder who wanted defect ? It would be very sensible for Camarilla Vampires to inform the defecting Lasombra not to go after other defectors, for the benefit of everyone on the side of the Camarilla.

              Is it written which Clans are predisposed to supporting membership of the Lasombra in the Camarilla ?

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              • #52
                Eh, it's not like there's a Noc List of defectors.


                Author of Cthulhu Armageddon, I was a Teenage Weredeer, Straight Outta Fangton, Lucifer's Star, and the Supervillainy Saga.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Muad'Dib View Post
                  Also - how are Camarilla Vampires supposed to know which Vampires are Lasombra defectors who staked or killed an Elder, and which ones are Sabbat Lasombra who staked or killed an Elder who wanted defect ? It would be very sensible for Camarilla Vampires to inform the defecting Lasombra not to go after other defectors, for the benefit of everyone on the side of the Camarilla.
                  It would also be reasonable to subject the Lasombra to all kinds of additional rules, like not holding office for 50 years, submitting to blood bonds or coming alone - which is exactly what happened in many domains since such a mass exodus is extremely suspicious.

                  Originally posted by Muad'Dib View Post
                  Is it written which Clans are predisposed to supporting membership of the Lasombra in the Camarilla ?
                  The development is probably too new, particularly with the lines of communication hobbled and some Clans not being all that centralized anyway - a Clan like the Tremere pre-decapitation would have an opinion. But the Toreador? Primogen 1 hates the Lasombra for having murdered their lover, Prince 2 considers their exodus amusing and would love to see it happen, Archon 3 enjoys seeing them kill each other even more than usual and is okay with taking the survivors on board.
                  The opinion of the Clans is far less important than the opinion of specific powerful clan members in your city, The pre-written adventure has some lovely examples, all between pragmatism, actual loyalty to the Camarilla, personal fears, elder manipulation and so on.

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Nicolas Milioni View Post
                    My point being,All Lasombra,be they Sabbat,Camarilla will emerge stronger.
                    There's certainly only strong ones left afterwards, no matter what power they started as.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Illithid View Post
                      There's certainly only strong ones left afterwards, no matter what power they started as.
                      And low humanity too,because their use of Oblivion will acquire stains on their souls

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by Nicolas Milioni View Post
                        And low humanity too,because their use of Oblivion will acquire stains on their souls
                        *Long Exasperated Breath* Yes, thanks to V5 forcing using it to be a sin, and not having alternate morality even though referenced in places.

                        But, it also could possibly not affect your mortality because you don't gather enough sins in a night to instantly lose, and roll well to keep it at the end of the night.
                        There isn't a consistent way to gauge what the humanity should be. (It's possible in previous editions to ave a strong conviction/conscience and succeed in this way but the with extra difficulty for sins lower than where you're at; and a cap for losing humanity based on the action.

                        You Could have someone with humanity 1 because on 5 nights they hurt someone (against the tenets of the chronicle) and lost humanity each night due to bad rolling.
                        You Could have someone else who kills a couple a night under the same tenets, but rolls well, so is at full Humanity.

                        And that's before looking at different Tenets for different cities/games

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