My Tremere knows the "Enchant Talisman" Ritual. It's said that it's one of the first rituals a Tremere learns once they reach rank 5 in Thaumaturgy, but when I then look at the mechanics, I have trouble believing that to be true.

You get 4 rolls of your Int+Occult, at Difficulty 8 and you need to get 20 successes total. By the time the Tremere gets their first path to 5, they maybe have Int and Occult both at 4 (which is what I have), which gives them 8 dice, which makes it a 2.5 percent chance of succeeding the ritual, IF they spend Willpower on every of the 4 rolls AND have a speciality that somehow applies.

Sure you could say "Well that's average of 40 tries to get it, and each of them takes 1 month, so that's a bit more than 3 years, what's that for a Vampire" and you're probably right, but for an actual game it's kinda bad, in my opinion.

Anyway, back to my actual question, I'm wondering, is there a way for another Thaumaturge to help with a ritual, so I'm getting to roll some more dice on it, or lower the difficulty? Or maybe some special ingredients you use to do that, or some property of the chantry? Has there ever been anything like that mentioned in the books?

You get 4 rolls of your Int+Occult, at Difficulty 8 and you need to get 20 successes total. By the time the Tremere gets their first path to 5, they maybe have Int and Occult both at 4 (which is what I have), which gives them 8 dice, which makes it a 2.5 percent chance of succeeding the ritual, IF they spend Willpower on every of the 4 rolls AND have a speciality that somehow applies.

Sure you could say "Well that's average of 40 tries to get it, and each of them takes 1 month, so that's a bit more than 3 years, what's that for a Vampire" and you're probably right, but for an actual game it's kinda bad, in my opinion.

Anyway, back to my actual question, I'm wondering, is there a way for another Thaumaturge to help with a ritual, so I'm getting to roll some more dice on it, or lower the difficulty? Or maybe some special ingredients you use to do that, or some property of the chantry? Has there ever been anything like that mentioned in the books?

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