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  • #16
    Originally posted by Baaldam View Post
    The Malkavians as a group are more disruptive than anti-establishment, imho. Not to mention that speaking of the Malkavians in such overarching terms might be imprudent, considering how individualistic some may be due to the combination of their derangements and the clan's particular culture can be.
    I imagine that if some Malkavians are anti-establishment in Sects or other organizations and factions, then there is an element of being the loyal opposition to it.
    Last edited by Muad'Dib; 01-13-2019, 01:11 PM.

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    • #17
      One of the few things that is consistent about the Malkavians is that they are the least cohesive of all the clans. This should in theory lead to them being all over the place: some in the Camarilla, some in the Sabbat, some in the anarchs, some independent, in more or less equivalent numbers. But since so many do stick with the Camarilla, both during it's formation and with them sticking by them now (when other clans are leaving) would indicate to me some overall 'plan' by the collective consciousness (MMN/Malkav/etc.) that involves the Camarilla somehow. Think about it; when do the Malkavians ever agree on anything as a clan? They can't even agree on things like whether they are all insane, or if it's the other vampires that are insane, or all kindred are and they are just the only ones that admit it, or what others call 'insanity' they call 'wisdom', etc. So what few times they do agree on something or work together as a group, something big is usually going down. Sure, most of the individuals wouldn't have any idea about such a plan, and many would give different and even conflicting answers about it whether they do or not, but I think this relative consistency by the clan is the best evidence for that, and frankly that should probably quite frightening.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Murdoc View Post
        One of the few things that is consistent about the Malkavians is that they are the least cohesive of all the clans. This should in theory lead to them being all over the place: some in the Camarilla, some in the Sabbat, some in the anarchs, some independent, in more or less equivalent numbers. But since so many do stick with the Camarilla, both during it's formation and with them sticking by them now (when other clans are leaving) would indicate to me some overall 'plan' by the collective consciousness (MMN/Malkav/etc.) that involves the Camarilla somehow. Think about it; when do the Malkavians ever agree on anything as a clan? They can't even agree on things like whether they are all insane, or if it's the other vampires that are insane, or all kindred are and they are just the only ones that admit it, or what others call 'insanity' they call 'wisdom', etc. So what few times they do agree on something or work together as a group, something big is usually going down. Sure, most of the individuals wouldn't have any idea about such a plan, and many would give different and even conflicting answers about it whether they do or not, but I think this relative consistency by the clan is the best evidence for that, and frankly that should probably quite frightening.
        I would be careful about attributing in regard to the Malkavians' membership in the Camarilla so much to their Clan culture, or to other factors related to being of the Clan Malkavian. The Malkavian membership in the Camarilla could very well be a product of circumstances, history, or decisions made by the influential and respected member of Clan Malkavian.

        Also - membership in the Sects is not a major commitment or significant matter for many Vampires. Like the Gangrel, many Malkavians might be in the Camarilla out of the convenience, habit, or due to knowing and interacting with Vampires who are in this Sect. Thus even if membership in the Camarilla ( or any Sect ) might, to an extent, be contrary to outlook and attitudes of a Vampire, she ( or he ) might still be a member.
        Last edited by Muad'Dib; 01-25-2019, 05:23 AM.

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        • #19
          The Malkavians are in the camarilla mostly for protection. They are not a centralized clan, and are unpredictably dangerous. The only way they could join the camarilla was to do something extreme to calm them down a bit, hence the Great Prank that removed dementation for dominate. The Camarilla's agreement for them this became a sort of "don't break the Masquerade and we'll keep you from becoming ash". Secretly, however, the Camarilla fear what would happen if the malkavian numbers dwindle. There are malkavians that believe if they keep embracing it will prevent Malkav from waking up, as they believe he is the madness network. And they preach that belief to any and everyone that will listen. While the camarilla hold to the point of "the Antediluvians don't exist", if they can keep the crazies in check they let them go about their business.

          The Sabbat, likewise, offers protection that Anarchs do not. The only difference is the Sabbat is brutal in nature so the Malkavians are more batshit crazy. But they are allowed to keep dementation because it is a scary ability for a pack to have.

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          • #20
            In the Camarilla book, and the Gentleman's Gamer introduction videos to V5 it's clearly stated that the Malkavians in the Camarilla are more stable than their counterparts in other sects. Also, they need the Camarilla for protection, and they are aware that they do.

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