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  • Ostarion
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    Thank you for your time in answering. One other thing about the recent chart that you posted earlier is that Legend of the Five Rings doesn't seem to have ever charted before in all previous editions. Even with the support of FGG how did a chanbara fantasy get so high on the list considering its niche genre? Usually its european fantasy, science fiction, horror and super heroes.

    Its a bit off topic, but considering that Vampire appears in this chart, I wonder if their are factors or anomalies not being considered? Legend of the Five Rings seems to be quite a surprise.
    Last edited by Ostarion; 03-06-2019, 12:43 AM.

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  • Trippy
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    Originally posted by Ostarion View Post


    Okay, so I checked the reports going back to 2004 or so and it appears that World of Darkness often took second place up until 2009 where it completely disappeared, and only now just reappeared on the chart, is this because of a larger retail presence? Or is it because "World of Darkness" included all of the various lines, and therefore combined sold quite a lot?
    Yes - in both cases. White Wolf lost it's shelf presence when it was sold in 2009 to CCP. The Onyx Path was set up a bit later, using online sales, PDF/POD and Kickstarter to generate sales instead, but they never recovered their presence in the wider rog market till V5 was released.

    White Wolf also benefitted from having multiple lines supporting each other - for combined sales. However, the Vampire line was easily the most profitable one. I'd say that Vampire probably accounted for about half the WoD sales (but could be wrong) with Mage very slightly ahead of Werewolf and the other making up the numbers. It was an effective marketting strategy. You'd also have to note that, in the 1990s and 2000s, they were one of the most prolific publishers around - something like 50+ new releases a year at their peak.

    White Wolf would want to remain in the Top Five placings, but this is hard because they tend to reflect the impact of new releases as well as overall marketshare. However, if they were able to have a new big release, year upon year, with new editions of Werewolf, Mage etc - then they would increase their chances. Having a good distributer, like Modiphius, also helps.

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  • Ostarion
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    Originally posted by Trippy View Post
    Yes. Published information for retail sales comes out from ICv2, in quarters. The most recent one, in which V5 was released, has yes to come out. So we don't know if its in the top five sellers or not.

    EDIT: They've literally just been released:

    1 Dungeons & Dragons (WotC)
    2 Legend of the Five Rings (FFG)
    3 Star Wars RPG (FFG)
    4 Starfinder (Paizo)
    5 Vampire (
    White Wolf)

    So, V5 has been a hit, but is still behind the 'big three' of WotC, FFG and Paizo (who have dropped off a bit this year because Pathfinder is having a new edition).

    Okay, so I checked the reports going back to 2004 or so and it appears that World of Darkness often took second place up until 2009 where it completely disappeared, and only now just reappeared on the chart, is this because of a larger retail presence? Or is it because "World of Darkness" included all of the various lines, and therefore combined sold quite a lot?

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  • Trippy
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    Originally posted by chipotlechris View Post
    another measure that is worth considering is quite how dramatically successful the CbN Kickstarter was recently. That book really flew and i don't think it could have done well without it also implying V5 had done well as well.
    Well, one of the things that is different for V5 is that they are publishing it, via Modiphius, through some more traditional distribution means. I'm not trying to knock kickstarter at all, but while there is an upfront amount (which in some cases it quite significant) it's the sales through retail or Amazon that make the difference. It's the distribution chains that allow Wizards, FFG and Paizo to get top positions. If White Wolf/Paradox/Modiphius keep publishing V5 and other lines prodigiously, then there will be an increasing market for WoD games too. Simply by being published, V5 is hitting wider markets than WoD games have done for a while (again, without disparaging the efforts of TOP).

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  • chipotlechris
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    another measure that is worth considering is quite how dramatically successful the CbN Kickstarter was recently. That book really flew and i don't think it could have done well without it also implying V5 had done well as well.

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  • Trippy
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    Originally posted by Ostarion View Post
    Does the rpg industry track who the top sellers are?
    Yes. Published information for retail sales comes out from ICv2, in quarters. The most recent one, in which V5 was released, has yes to come out. So we don't know if its in the top five sellers or not.

    EDIT: They've literally just been released:

    1 Dungeons & Dragons (WotC)
    2 Legend of the Five Rings (FFG)
    3 Star Wars RPG (FFG)
    4 Starfinder (Paizo)
    5 Vampire (
    White Wolf)

    So, V5 has been a hit, but is still behind the 'big three' of WotC, FFG and Paizo (who have dropped off a bit this year because Pathfinder is having a new edition).

    Last edited by Trippy; 03-05-2019, 02:29 AM.

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  • Natsymir
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    In Sweden we do a lot of comparing various kickstarters, as every Swedish game nowadays is released that way, but Vampire was unique in that it didn't have a kickstarter, so we can't go that route. Another way to get at least a slight idea about it is to look at the best seller top lists from various retailers. Of course, this will always tend to favor new games, and gaming companies that don't have their own online stories. The main Swedish retailer, "Science Fiction Bokhandeln"'s RPG top list currently has the following best sellers, in order (I've left out dice and other accessories):

    - Dungeons & Dragons Player's handbook.
    - Warhammer 40K Wrath & Glory
    - D&D Xanthar's Guide to Everything
    - D&D Dungeon Master's Guide
    - Fantasy! Old School Gaming: Världsboken
    - D&D Monster Manual 2
    - Drakar och Demoner
    - Kult
    - Vampire 5th Ed


    So in these stores, Vampire currently sell less than Kult, a game that both already has had a tremendously successful crowdfunder, and also sell at the gaming company's (Helmgast) own webstore. For Vampire's part, I would call that a rather disappointing performance, though it should be noted that Kult has a strong nostalgia following in Sweden.
    Last edited by Natsymir; 03-05-2019, 01:10 AM.

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