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  • Herr Meister
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    Originally posted by CTPhipps View Post

    Sales are so very good.

    If it continues until the end of the year, the rest of the books will probably be reprinted.

    It's grea to know that sales are going well! I reallt hope all the books are going to be reprinted, so much good material there.

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  • CTPhipps
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    Originally posted by Herr Meister View Post


    Surely all of these depends a lot on the ST.

    In any case I really recommend reading the Dark Age Clan Novels, they are really good and inspired. I'm happy the novels are getting some love again.
    Sales are so very good.

    If it continues until the end of the year, the rest of the books will probably be reprinted.

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  • Herr Meister
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    Originally posted by CTPhipps View Post

    Yes, I'm saying that some ST fiat in this should be involved.



    In any case, I'm looking forward to reading the Dark Age Clan Novels for the first time. I actually work for David Niall Wilson who is the guy repeating these (or at least he's my publisher now).

    Surely all of these depends a lot on the ST.

    In any case I really recommend reading the Dark Age Clan Novels, they are really good and inspired. I'm happy the novels are getting some love again.

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  • CTPhipps
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    Originally posted by Herr Meister View Post


    Well it would depend on many factors, Hardestadt isn't one of the most overpowered example of character. He had Fortitude 5, so it's doable that he could be destroyed in such a fashion (unless one uses the V5 version of Fortitude lol). But if it was Karsh, it would hardly cause much harm (if any), that if Theo Bell had the chance to think of it, i.e. he would never get a better initiative than Karsh. Still Hardestadt could have easily dominated Theo Bell, but as I said before, everything depends on the situation, if he was caught by surprise and so on.
    Yes, I'm saying that some ST fiat in this should be involved.



    In any case, I'm looking forward to reading the Dark Age Clan Novels for the first time. I actually work for David Niall Wilson who is the guy repeating these (or at least he's my publisher now).

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  • Herr Meister
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    Originally posted by CTPhipps View Post

    Mind you, I'm also of the opinion a lot of past characters were overpowered as well.

    If a vampire is shot in the face by a dragonsbreath shotgun, Hardestadt or not, they should die.

    Well it would depend on many factors, Hardestadt isn't one of the most overpowered example of character. He had Fortitude 5, so it's doable that he could be destroyed in such a fashion (unless one uses the V5 version of Fortitude lol). But if it was Karsh, it would hardly cause much harm (if any), that if Theo Bell had the chance to think of it, i.e. he would never get a better initiative than Karsh. Still Hardestadt could have easily dominated Theo Bell, but as I said before, everything depends on the situation, if he was caught by surprise and so on.

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  • CTPhipps
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    Originally posted by Herr Meister View Post


    Yes, white wolf has a habit of making these unlikely situations happen in their writing and novels. I think this example of Theo Bell defeating Marcus Vitel is even more absurd than the case of Alexander being beaten, because at least in Alexander's case there were some other factors at play and we don't know the traits (i.e. the character's sheet, so to speak) of the characters involved. While in the case of Theo Bell beating Marcus Vitel we have access to both character's sheet and Theo Bell, albeit relatively powerful in its own right, has rather modest traits specially when man compares it to Marcus Vitel's that is basically a methusaleh with a huge arsenal of powers at his disposal.

    Another weird situation is when Becket and Xaviar defeat Karsh. Even though we never had access to Becket's character sheet, we have Javiar and Karsh is WAY beyond the powers of Xaviar. So, we have many of these weird and unbelieveable situations in the history of the World of Darkness. Perhaps one could say that it has to do with the fact that some writers hired by WW have no understanding of the system, but then again I wouldn't know for sure.
    Mind you, I'm also of the opinion a lot of past characters were overpowered as well.

    If a vampire is shot in the face by a dragonsbreath shotgun, Hardestadt or not, they should die.

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  • Herr Meister
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    Originally posted by CTPhipps View Post

    Yes, sadly I mean the game.

    Theo Bell took a lot of flack for "killing" Marcus Vitel but they retconned that away in Beckett's Jyhad Diary.

    Yes, white wolf has a habit of making these unlikely situations happen in their writing and novels. I think this example of Theo Bell defeating Marcus Vitel is even more absurd than the case of Alexander being beaten, because at least in Alexander's case there were some other factors at play and we don't know the traits (i.e. the character's sheet, so to speak) of the characters involved. While in the case of Theo Bell beating Marcus Vitel we have access to both character's sheet and Theo Bell, albeit relatively powerful in its own right, has rather modest traits specially when man compares it to Marcus Vitel's that is basically a methusaleh with a huge arsenal of powers at his disposal.

    Another weird situation is when Becket and Xaviar defeat Karsh. Even though we never had access to Becket's character sheet, we have Javiar and Karsh is WAY beyond the powers of Xaviar. So, we have many of these weird and unbelieveable situations in the history of the World of Darkness. Perhaps one could say that it has to do with the fact that some writers hired by WW have no understanding of the system, but then again I wouldn't know for sure.

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  • CTPhipps
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    Originally posted by Herr Meister View Post


    In which novel can man read about Cristof beating Vukodlak? Or are you talking about Vampire Redemption? That intrigues me as well, but at least in the game Vukodlak was so damn hard to beat that I quite enjoyed lol! And in any case in modern setting it's easier to deal with godlike methuselah than in the middle ages were Alexander got beaten.
    Yes, sadly I mean the game.

    Theo Bell took a lot of flack for "killing" Marcus Vitel but they retconned that away in Beckett's Jyhad Diary.

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  • Herr Meister
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    Originally posted by CTPhipps View Post

    I never read any of the Dark Age Clan Novels before their re-release and am looking forward to doing so once I finish my Clan Novel re-read. What you're describing actually intrigues me and now I want to read about that even if I had a hard enough time believing Cristof beat the Vukulodak.

    FYI -

    Part of the issue the books aren't all out now is I understand that it's mostly a production issue where they have to be scanned from the paperbacks and then proofed due to the fact quite a few of the original PDFs only exist as photos of the original book.

    So it's a bit time consuming but well worth it.

    In which novel can man read about Cristof beating Vukodlak? Or are you talking about Vampire Redemption? That intrigues me as well, but at least in the game Vukodlak was so damn hard to beat that I quite enjoyed lol! And in any case in modern setting it's easier to deal with godlike methuselah than in the middle ages were Alexander got beaten.

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  • CTPhipps
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    Originally posted by Herr Meister View Post
    Talking about the Novels, has anybody here already ready the dark ages novels? I've just reread the Gangrel one and although I think it was good, I kinda prefered the Cappadocian and the Ventrue ones. What frustrated me more about the Gangrel novel is that Alexander of Paris, a 4th generation millenar cainite is portraited as so stupid and weak that it was hard to believe (and keep myself engaged) in the book's ending when one has to think about vampire's system (hard to not think about actual games when one has been storytelling for over 2 decades like me lol). There is almost no way on earth (the world of darkness for the matter) for a 4th generation Ventrue methuselah to be defeated so easily by a neonate gangrel and some teliavelic tremere. I know it's a novel et all, but they made it look way too easy, it seems as though White Wolf was just trying too hard to get rid of Alexander.
    I never read any of the Dark Age Clan Novels before their re-release and am looking forward to doing so once I finish my Clan Novel re-read. What you're describing actually intrigues me and now I want to read about that even if I had a hard enough time believing Cristof beat the Vukulodak.

    FYI -

    Part of the issue the books aren't all out now is I understand that it's mostly a production issue where they have to be scanned from the paperbacks and then proofed due to the fact quite a few of the original PDFs only exist as photos of the original book.

    So it's a bit time consuming but well worth it.
    Last edited by CTPhipps; 06-04-2019, 09:00 AM.

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  • Herr Meister
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    Talking about the Novels, has anybody here already ready the dark ages novels? I've just reread the Gangrel one and although I think it was good, I kinda prefered the Cappadocian and the Ventrue ones. What frustrated me more about the Gangrel novel is that Alexander of Paris, a 4th generation millenar cainite is portraited as so stupid and weak that it was hard to believe (and keep myself engaged) in the book's ending when one has to think about vampire's system (hard to not think about actual games when one has been storytelling for over 2 decades like me lol). There is almost no way on earth (the world of darkness for the matter) for a 4th generation Ventrue methuselah to be defeated so easily by a neonate gangrel and some teliavelic tremere. I know it's a novel et all, but they made it look way too easy, it seems as though White Wolf was just trying too hard to get rid of Alexander.

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  • CTPhipps
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    Anyone else love TVtropes.org? I love that website and have made many pages for it. Well, I just made a page for the Vampire: The Masquerade clan novels and I thought people would enjoy it.

    https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.p...eTheMasquerade

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  • CTPhipps
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    Originally posted by Vamps Like Us View Post
    I'm pulling for you then. A story set in Chicago my old stomping grounds would be Amazing!
    Don't know why I never noticed your novels in older posts but I just picked up
    Straight Outta Fangton and will read it soon
    Thanks. I hope you enjoy!

    Straight Outta Fangton got reviewed by Elisa Hansen (Vampire Reviews) and she really liked it. https://youtu.be/_1tQwK2PnOA

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  • CTPhipps
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    I'm currently conducting my re-read through the Clan Novel series and some of it certainly reads differently than they did in 1998.

    Some initial thoughts as I go through them.

    Giovanni and Followers of Set are the two most horrifying and dark of the novels, which is why they're definitely among my favorites. I especially like how Followers of Set reads like a romance novel parody to an extent in that the heroine thinks Hesha is a romantic dashing vampire but he's actually one of the worst Elders in the series. Giovanni is about how a vampire starts going into wassail and how nobody cares enough to help him avoid it.

    Lasombra and Assamite are the most 'superhero with fangs' and that's not a bad thing because I love the Black Widow and Underworld. Lucita is basically Catherine Zeta Jones as a vampire with shadows instead of two guns. They're fun, dark, and actually have some things. I also loved Lucita as a perfect Elder Anarch.

    Brujah and Ventrue are the most political novels of the series with them being leaps and above better than Toreador that I felt wasn't very good at establishing who, what, when, where, and why.

    Tremere was a book that I felt didn't show the Tremere very well because Sturbridge is the least Tremere Tremere of all time. I can't imagine she wouldn't be executed for her insubordination but she IS the Regent of New York City so maybe she HAS been executed, it's just the Sabbat did a shit job of it. Like being reassigned to the front line of the Soviet Union when you're a Wehrmacht officer.

    Gangrel was probably the best for introducing people and I kind of think that Ramona should have been a more important character than the series allowed. While people wanted Beckett, Ramona was a newbie's view of the setting.

    I wasn't a fan of Malkavian or Tzimisce. Ravnos was an okay sequel to Setite. Nosferatu I felt had the unenviable job of wrapping everything up.
    Last edited by CTPhipps; 05-29-2019, 10:43 PM.

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  • Vamps Like Us
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    I'm pulling for you then. A story set in Chicago my old stomping grounds would be Amazing!
    Don't know why I never noticed your novels in older posts but I just picked up
    Straight Outta Fangton and will read it soon

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