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  • #16
    Originally posted by Eldagusto View Post
    Yeah its silly to say "what why would you need Grenades for a game about a Conspiracy of superhuman greedy wicked Vampires". Hell in my opinion the Tremere should have a lot of tricks to conjure and banish illegal weapons and explosives, and their biggest concern is to not have witnesses or leave forensic evidence. They probably have rituals that screw with the Forensics when using bullets or bombs or acid.
    CSI: Kindred.

    "Vell, it looks like we've..." Dramatically hides their face behind the cape. "Found our ghoul!" Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh!

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Eldagusto View Post
      Yeah its silly to say "what why would you need Grenades for a game about a Conspiracy of superhuman greedy wicked Vampires". Hell in my opinion the Tremere should have a lot of tricks to conjure and banish illegal weapons and explosives, and their biggest concern is to not have witnesses or leave forensic evidence. They probably have rituals that screw with the Forensics when using bullets or bombs or acid.
      I have to admit that I tend to come at this from a different point of view.

      If a coroner finds a body which has been torched by Lure of Flames, it sets off all sorts of red flags. The heat was too high for the fuel on hand and a lack of accelerant, not to mention it appears that only the body itself was burned and very little damage was done to the surroundings. Sure there is the wick effect with some immolation cases, but never when the target was awake or mobile. On the other hand if the CSI guys come in and find that some one doused a victim in gasoline and lit them up with a mag full of dragons breath rounds from a combat shotgun, the answers are fairly straight forward. Discipline use leaves some very inconvenient holes in the evidence.

      There have also been several instances in games I have run where the use of firearms was a bit of evidence misdirection on the part of rival vampires. When some one rolls up with military grade gear to kill a vampire, most cainites tend to think about hunters or surviving victims coming back for vengeance rather than assuming one of your rivals started shooting at you. Alternatively I have used a public "killing" to cripple a vampires plans. If a vampire influencer is shot in the head while attending a dinner or other public social function, unless they can dominate the entire crowd and control media uploads, they have to change identities and keep a low profile for a decade or more. A gun might not kill a vampire, but it can kill their plans.

      Now if you had a vampire who was using a signature weapon that can easily be traced and connected to various crime scenes over the decades or centuries, then yes you will want rituals and other techniques for removing evidence, but that should be something that most kindred learn early on to avoid doing.

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