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  • #61
    Originally posted by CTPhipps View Post

    Yeah and I am unconvinced those principles are enough to state it's a universal Morality. But YMMV at your table. For me, Humanity is a "new" Road.
    It's only a "new" road if you apply modern standards to it. Prime example, pretty much everyone would agree that getting someone hooked on a drug and keeping them as a slave is a pretty heinous thing to do. But ghouling people is clearly fine, and has been for a very long time, and addicted slave is exactly what that is. It's also such a generic and weird code of conduct that I'd never assume it's meant to be abrahamic. Seems more in line with a Buddhist path to enlightenment, that being golconda, to be honest.

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    • #62
      Originally posted by jamiemalk View Post

      It's only a "new" road if you apply modern standards to it. Prime example, pretty much everyone would agree that getting someone hooked on a drug and keeping them as a slave is a pretty heinous thing to do. But ghouling people is clearly fine, and has been for a very long time, and addicted slave is exactly what that is. It's also such a generic and weird code of conduct that I'd never assume it's meant to be abrahamic. Seems more in line with a Buddhist path to enlightenment, that being golconda, to be honest.
      You don't think ghouldom can cost Humanity?


      Author of Cthulhu Armageddon, I was a Teenage Weredeer, Straight Outta Fangton, Lucifer's Star, and the Supervillainy Saga.

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      • #63
        Originally posted by CTPhipps View Post

        You don't think ghouldom can cost Humanity?
        If you apply the modern interpretation, yes, it should be a path 1 sin. But the game universe clearly doesn't support that reading.

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        • #64
          In regards to the original question, these are some thoughts on the Ravnos I wrote some time ago(sorry if the the language is rough around the edges, I jotted this down between work assignments)

          Saulot and Zapathasura
          -What is the relationship between these two antediluvians? Is there even a relationship between them? There has to be, seeing as they are both linked with India. Saulot supposedly achieved Golconda in the city of the same name. This is impossible, since the city wasn't founded until millenia later. The name, however, is indian and means grassy hilltop, without specifying which. Contrasting this is the fact that salubri no longer have a significant presence in India, apart from one exception: the Seven who went east searching for Golconda and went mad. The Wu Zao hail from China and travel to Mongolia, Korea, Japan and Indochina, but don't enter India for long. Why do modern salubri unconsciously shun the land where their progenitor achieved enlightment? What did the Seven find that drove them over the edge?
          Then, of course, there's the Wu Zao themselves. But more on that later.
          Saulot traveled east sometime after the Second City was founded but right before the Baali Wars. Whether the clans had already been cursed or not is not specified, but it can be assumed they already were by that time. Furthermore, Zapathasura and the Ravnos in general fall out of myths and legends surrounding the City at that point, with no mention of their participation in the Wars. Maybe Saulot and Zapathasura both traveled east, but only one returned bearing the torch of salvation. Maybe the progenitor of the Ravnos stayed behind to hide something. Or to protect something, since the Salubri couldn't. That interpretation would fulfill an underlying theme of diametry between the clans: Saulot and the salubri, with their path to salvation and their third eye, grant truth, while Zapathasura and the ravnos, with their path of enlightment and power over illusions, conceal it. Maybe whatever secret Saulot gained from the Wan kuei was entrusted to Zapathasura for hiding. Or it could be that the whole thing was a ploy concocted by both, and while Saulot debated with the scholars and sages of the Wan kuei, Zapathasura entered their homes and stole those secrets. He certainly was the 'thief' amongst the third generation. Maybe the scholar and the thief worked together in the east and stole Golconda from demons who did not fully understand it.
          And now we come back to the Wu Zao.
          The Wu Zao are a bloodline of Salubri left in China by Saulot. They are the missing third caste, the watcher caste, mandated to keep Saulot's secrets for him until an indeterminate time. They divide themselves into two subcastes and work in pairs, with one belonging to the scholar caste and the other to the thief caste. Sound similar? They are a bloodline of the Salubri by virtue of recognizing Saulot as their founder. They also sport the third eye associated with the Salubri, but that comes with their signature discipline and isn't really a heritage. They do not share the weakness of the rest of the Salubri, but many bloodlines have different flaws than their parent clans so it doesn't prove anything. That just leaves room to speculate, what if Zapathasura had a hand in creating them? Their weakness, while different from the Salubri's, is similar to the Ravnos' (only with a more scholarly slant). And what of their claim of Zao-lat as founder? Couldn't the master of Chimerstry have impersonated Saulot as part of whatever scheme the two of them had?


          Ravnos castes
          -Brahmin: The teachers of the Ravnos, the Brahmin caste leads the clan spiritually and provides counsel to the rest of the castes. Their oracular abilities lead them to interact heavily with the kshatriyas, providing intel on enemy forces. Since they also possess a strong personal charisma, they help the vaishya manage the mortal flock. Their purpose has changed the least from the original.
          Disciplines: auspex, presence, chimerstry
          -Kshatriya: The dedicated warriors of the clan, the scalpel to cut away obstacles and diseases that come from without, the kshatriyas are the clan's elite strike team. Of all the castes, their purpose has changed the most from the early nights, due to their progenitor being the only loyal childe to remain to lead the clan. This has seen them adapt to the role of leaders, a rather jaunty change.
          Disciplines: celerity, fortitude, chimerstry
          -Vaishya: There is reason to infer that, in the old nights, the vaishyas were the leaders of the clan, but the times have seen them become the resource managers, who spy and control their mortal flock. Though they don't have the social skills of the brahmin, that is because they do not socialize with humans; they are the caste of landlords and merchants, and humans are their coin and cattle.
          Disciplines: animalism, dominate, chimerstry
          -Shudra: The labourer caste, the shudra are the most numerous members of the clan, with the same amount of members as the vaishyas and kshatriyas combined. As the name says, they are meant to labour under the other castes in a manner of speaking. Just as their progenitor was an adaptable creature, they are meant to fill any weak points in the other castes' plans and be relocated as needed. Their abilities allow them to coordinate with those of the kshatriyas and vaishyas. Besides ravnos, they allow caitiff within their ranks, both embraced by clan members and embraced by other clans.
          Disciplines: animalism, fortitude, chimerstry
          --The Ravnos castes already existed during the Harapan civilization, but they had somewhat different purposes than they have nowadays. When Zapathasura's childer started leaving and he fell into torpor, the only loyal childe, Chandraputra, altered the clan's structure so that each caste would roughly fit the varna most similar to them. He thought of countering those demoralizing events by tieing the clan closer to indian culture, providing an identity and purpose that future embraces would feel validated in.
          --Among the eastern Ravnos there is a mystery surrounding the fate of Ravana's childer. What their role was before the current caste system is also unknown; there is virtually nothing known about Ravana himself apart from his betrayal. Some sources claim they were the sorcerers of the Ravnos, specializing in studying sadhana, and that their founder was a willworker in his mortal years. Some think they were exterminated by Chandraputra, others that he folded them into the other castes. One popular myth amongst the eastern Ravnos is that they fled India and became their western cousins, a theory brimming with self-aware condescension. Others think they followed their founder into bargaining with demons. A few think they still exist as the secret fifth caste, charged by Chandraputra to atone for their progenitor's transgressions by performing their duties from the shadows. Maybe more than one of those claims are true.

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